Today on The Startup Chat, Steli and Hiten talk how self-management is the best management.



Managing yourself is one of the most important skills a person can develop, especially if you want to be a successful leader and manage other people.



In today’s episode of the show, Steli and Hiten what self-management means, the importance of self-management, some principles of good management and much more.



Time Stamped Show Notes:



00:00 About today’s topic



00:39 Why this topic was chosen.



01:21 Why knowing what you control is super important.



02:25 Why self-managed people are some of the best people to work with.



02:39 What self-management means.



03:38 Why you should start with you.



04:27 Why you should live a truly good life in front of your children.



05:35 How it’s so much easier to tell people what to do.



08:40 The importance of self-management.



09:07 The principles of management.



3 Key Points:



<ul><li>A lot of it has to do with knowing what you control.</li><li>Self-managed people are some of the best people to work with.</li><li>Self-management is figuring out what to do and not ask other people what you should be doing.</li></ul>


<div class="transcript">
Steli Efti: Hey everybody, this is Steli Efti.
Hiten Shah: And this is Hiten Shah. And today on The Startup Chat, we&#8217;re going to talk about how self-management is the best management, because I tweeted that and I think Steli liked it.
Steli Efti: Yeah.
Hiten Shah: And I tweeted it because it just came in my head. I had no rhyme or reason.
Steli Efti: How the fuck do you do this? You&#8217;re just like, you&#8217;re just walking down the street and you see birds chirping, and you&#8217;re like, &#8220;Ah, wait a second, before I continue watching these birds. Self-management is the best management.&#8221; How did it just pop up in your head?
Hiten Shah: I don&#8217;t know. I just thought about it. I don&#8217;t know. I just thought about it. I just thought about something and it just popped in my head, and I was like, &#8220;Oh, yeah, this is a good one. Let me go share this today.&#8221; I strongly believe that. And a lot of it has to do with knowing what you control. And you just control yourself and how you manage yourself. And I think that can extend to many different areas. We can talk about it in many different ways, but at the end of the day, I really truly believe self management is really the best management. And one thing, one way, if you are a manager of any kind that you can kind of resonate with this or maybe have some familiarity with the concept, is when you have somebody who you&#8217;re managing, you&#8217;re responsible for, and their ability to manage themselves is just incredible. So, the management you have to do is very light because they&#8217;re bringing what their needs to the table for you. They&#8217;re documenting things. They&#8217;re basically managing themselves, which makes it so that you don&#8217;t have to manage them. And I&#8217;m not saying that you shouldn&#8217;t manage them. I&#8217;m not saying that you shouldn&#8217;t be involved. This isn&#8217;t even a management style thing. This is literally, self-managed people are some of the best people to work with. Self-managed people are sort of some of the people that have the most &#8230; That appear to be more put together because they&#8217;re just managing themselves. Even if everything&#8217;s going to hell in a hand basket or whatever they call it, they&#8217;re still sitting there capable of basically figuring out what to do. So, a lot of self-management to me is more about figuring out what to do and not having to ask other people what you should be doing. And this applies to so many different scenarios. It&#8217;s kind of hilarious because it&#8217;s kind of like this thing where you&#8217;re taking control of what you can control, and you&#8217;re not worried about things that are outside of your control. If you think of self-management and think of it as self-management, you could put yourself in that mindset even if you don&#8217;t have a lot of experience with management or managing people and things, or feel like you&#8217;re not good at to-do lists, and stuff like that. It&#8217;s not about that. It&#8217;s about having the sort of awareness that if you manage yourself, you get to control your time. You don&#8217;t manage yourself, you don&#8217;t get to control your time. Someone else is controlling your time.
Steli Efti: I love that. And this is one of these universal uncomfortable truths where if you want to start changing the world, clean your room, make your bed. Right?
Hiten Shah: Yeah.
Steli Efti: Get your affairs in order. Do your shit first. I remember. I used to say this to people jokingly. Before I had children, I always used to tell people, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to write a book about how to raise children before I&#8217;m becoming a dad.&#8221; I never did that obviously, but I was like, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to write a book.&#8221; [crosstalk] And that-
Hiten Shah: You and the books. Yes.
Steli Efti: And I&#8217;m like, &#8220;And that book is going to be two pages. And it&#8217;s just going to say, &#8216;Get your shit together. Just whatever you want your children&#8217;s life to look like, make sure you live it in front of them. You&#8217;ve got to tackle your fears. Be honest, grow, learn, be humble. Just live a truly good life in front of them and they&#8217;ll be fine. They&#8217;ll learn everything they need to learn by watching you. There&#8217;s nothing you need to pretend to do or say to them while privately your shit&#8217;s fucked up.'&#8221; Right? And think, &#8220;Well, I read these 20 books about perfect child education. And so, my children truly are going to benefit from this.&#8221; Maybe they will a little bit, but if you just don&#8217;t have your affairs in order, they&#8217;re not. They&#8217;re just going to copy your behavior. It&#8217;s the same thing &#8230; Back in the day when I was a kid &#8230; I don&#8217;t know I was for you, but all my uncles would smoke and all of them would forbid their children to smoke. And I always thought that&#8217;s kind of weird. I was like, &#8220;What logic is this? They&#8217;re sitting here in the living room smoking a cigarette.&#8221; But then once they saw that one of the kids, when they were 16 smoked in school or something, they had lost their shit, and they were screaming at them. And I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Motherfucker, you&#8217;re smoking as well? How you manage your child? What is this?&#8221; So, the same thing. But it&#8217;s so much easier. It&#8217;s for all of us. It&#8217;s so much easier for me to tell you what to do than to do it myself correctly. [crosstalk 00:05:24].
Hiten Shah: Always, yeah.
Steli Efti: To live up to it. And-
Hiten Shah: My dad actually told me, &#8220;Do what I say, not what I do.&#8221;
Steli Efti: Do what I say, not what I do. Your dad is not the only one, right. How many people have done this?
Hiten Shah: He just straight up told me that. I was like, &#8220;All right, dude. Cool. Great.
Steli Efti: Yeah. How illogical is this? Don&#8217;t do what I do. Just do what I say. Well, why don&#8217;t you do what you say?
Hiten Shah: That&#8217;s right.
Steli Efti: Why does your life not apply to this standard? This golden standard of [crosstalk 00:05:55].
Hiten Shah: Yeah. The background there is my dad doesn&#8217;t eat vegetables and stuff. He just doesn&#8217;t. There&#8217;s a short list. So, he&#8217;s always &#8230; So, it was really about the food all the time. But yeah, he meant that. So, yeah.
Steli Efti: This reminds me. I&#8217;m sure. I&#8217;m certain I&#8217;ve told this story before on the podcast, but this reminds me of this Gandhi story. I don&#8217;t know how true it is or not, but I love it. And I&#8217;ve told it a million times where there was this mother that came with a child to see Gandhi, and the child was obese and was eating too much sugar and was about to die because of diabetes or something. And so, this mother traveled really far distances and long times with her child, waited forever to get like a couple of seconds with Gandhi. She&#8217;d heard that this was this amazing person. And she asked him and pleaded with him, &#8220;Please, please, tell my son something so he stops eating sugar so he can become healthy and doesn&#8217;t die. He&#8217;s too young.&#8221; And then, he looked at her and told her, &#8220;Come back again in a month or something.&#8221; And she went on this &#8230; The whole travel back and all this time to travel again there and wait for days and days and days. And then when he saw &#8230; Got the audience with Gandhi again and saw the child, he just looked at him and said, &#8220;Stop eating sugar,&#8221; and then smile to them and was like, &#8220;Oh, sure. Nice day.&#8221; And she got really mad at him and was like, &#8220;What? Why didn&#8217;t you say this a month ago? Why did we have to wait?&#8221; Ta-da-da-da-da-da-da. And Gandhi was like, &#8220;Well, a month ago I was still eating sugar.&#8221; Right? I fucking-
Hiten Shah: It&#8217;s good.
Steli Efti: It&#8217;s so good, right?
Hiten Shah: So good.
Steli Efti: I love the story. He&#8217;s like, &#8220;Well, I couldn&#8217;t tell him to stop eating sugar. I was eating sugar myself.&#8221;
Hiten Shah: Because I was eating it. Yeah. What do you want me to say? [crosstalk 00:07:34].
Steli Efti: So good. And this is pretty much it. And this relates to self-management. People, we all, we like to complain, &#8220;Oh, there&#8217;s no leadership here,&#8221; or management is not this. Management is not that.&#8221; Or even better, &#8220;I should be given more responsibility. I should be given a chance.&#8221; Or on the flip side, &#8220;Oh, my God. I&#8217;m given this responsibility to manage people, but I&#8217;ve never managed anybody.&#8221; And it&#8217;s like, &#8220;Wait a second.&#8221;
Hiten Shah: What about yourself?
Steli Efti: What about yourself? You could start gaining management experience right now. You don&#8217;t need anybody. Just becomes really good at managing your own life. You can gain tremendous leadership experience by leading your own life. Right? Becoming a leader of your life, becoming a leader of your work.
Hiten Shah: Totally. Yeah.
Steli Efti: And the principles to becoming an amazing manager or leader, they&#8217;re always the same. If you know how to manage yourself really, really well, chances that you&#8217;re going to manage other people really effectively are incredibly high, because it&#8217;s the same principles. And if your life is a mess, if you&#8217;re always late, if you don&#8217;t get your shit and affairs in order, the chances that you&#8217;re going to read some book and then become an amazing manager of other people is zero. Right. So, [crosstalk] that book &#8230; Is there a Peter Drucker book on self-management. I feel like there&#8217;s a Peter Drucker book [crosstalk] management.
Hiten Shah: I think there is. Managing Oneself [crosstalk 00:09:06]. Is that it?
Steli Efti: Managing Oneself, yes.
Hiten Shah: Yeah.
Steli Efti: This is one of those books that I think I&#8217;ve read sometime, or at least I know have on Kindle, but I don&#8217;t remember it. But I&#8217;ve heard a couple of people recommending it, but I can&#8217;t recommend it firsthand, but this fits the [crosstalk 00:09:21].
Hiten Shah: [crosstalk 00:09:21]. Yeah, yeah. It&#8217;s Peter Drucker style. Yeah. Good book.
Steli Efti: All right. I think this is it for us for this episode, but this comes back to, I think the tidbit for people out there. As you said in your tweet, self-manage is the best management. Start with self-management, right? You have to ask yourself, How can I [crosstalk 00:09:44]?
Hiten Shah: How can I now [crosstalk 00:09:44]?
Steli Efti: &#8220;Right now, how can I be better at self management? How can I become better at managing my life and myself?&#8221; And then, pick one thing and start working on that. Start working on becoming a great manager over yourself. And lots and lots of things will fall into place afterwards.
Hiten Shah: Yep.
Steli Efti: That&#8217;s it for this episode. We&#8217;ll hear you very soon.
Hiten Shah: Happy managing.
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In today’s episode of The Startup Chat, Steli and Hiten talk about why you should share your work.



While a lot of startups conduct their business in secret, some are now beginning to share what they are working on with the public, and like everything in life, sharing your work has it’s pros and cons.



In this episode, Steli and Hiten talk about what cross-promoting is, why you shouldn’t feel forced to share your work, what type of things you could share with the public, the benefits of sharing and much more.



Time Stamped Show Notes:



00:00 About the topic of today’s episode



01:37 Why this topic was chosen.



02:58 Why you shouldn’t feel forced into sharing.



04:53 Things to consider before sharing your work.



05:17 What most startups share about their work.



05:58 How not to share your work.



06:34 Why sharing your work in real-time is riskier.



06:54 How sharing your work shows vulnerability.



07:26 How sharing your work sparks curiosity.



07:38 When to share your work.



3 Key Points:



<ul><li>Don’t feel forced into sharing</li><li>There’s beauty and power in sharing your work</li><li>Most people don’t share their work</li></ul>


<div class="transcript">
Steli Efti: Hey, everybody. This is Steli Efti.
Hiten Shah: And this is Hiten Shah. Today, on The Startup Chat, we&#8217;re going to talk about one of my pro tips that I tweeted about recently. It just said, &#8220;Pro tip, share your work.&#8221; Here, we like talking about more than just sales and marketing.
Steli Efti: We just want to bullshit and chat about business and life, and hopefully, while we&#8217;re doing that, provide a lot of value to people.
Hiten Shah: The world&#8217;s best business podcast.
Steli Efti: Oh.
Hiten Shah: Shit.
Steli Efti: Shit, we got it.
Hiten Shah: For people trying to get shit done.
Steli Efti: Done. Yeah. We don&#8217;t want to give you feedback that&#8217;s bullshit.
Hiten Shah: We want you to do your best. I think it caught Steli&#8217;s eye, which I&#8217;m not surprised about. What did it spur for you?
Steli Efti: Well, first of all, the tweet popped up in my timeline. I have to look it up again. It was not just you, but it was you with a tweet and a reply. You&#8217;ll know from whom. It was your tweet that said, &#8220;Pro tip, share your work.&#8221; And then below it, it showed the reply of somebody saying, &#8220;I love you.&#8221; Which was-
Hiten Shah: Yeah, Julian Shapiro.
Steli Efti: Julian Shapiro, who&#8217;s a badass. [crosstalk 00:00:58].
Hiten Shah: It was great.
Steli Efti: And a great follow. I had to laugh, both because I love what you tweeted, but also loved his response, just, &#8220;I love you.&#8221; It&#8217;s just classic. As always, when your tweets are inspiring or at least slow me down on my tweets, scroll, track. Wait a second.
Hiten Shah: Yeah, that&#8217;s fun, all that.
Steli Efti: This seems right. Hold on. I&#8217;m always curious, what prompted this? What happened in Hiten&#8217;s life? What thought, what conversation did he have? What happened just before he picked up his phone and was like, &#8220;All right, let me share this with the world. Pro tip, share your work.&#8221; Tell us.
Hiten Shah: Yeah, one of the most secretive people I know is David Cancel from Drift. I was looking up something he shared on LinkedIn. Over at Drift, they created yet another new category. They created a category called Conversational Marketing over the last few years. They recently, a few weeks ago, maybe a couple months ago, threw it out and said basically, &#8220;We&#8217;re creating a new category now again, and it&#8217;s called Revenue Acceleration.&#8221; Then, when they announced it, a bunch of folks, Dave Gerhardt, who used to work at Drift, had some commentary, a few other folks had some commentary about it, and then David decided to share some slides, I&#8217;m going to call them ugly because they are, and that&#8217;s a compliment in this case, share some slides that he worked on internally. And he had a nice little note about it basically saying that there&#8217;s no point keeping these secrets because we have to build with the customer kind of thing. He didn&#8217;t quite say it like that, but that&#8217;s what he said. What I realized is, well, if he is now advocating sharing your work, someone who&#8217;s been very secretive historically, even he&#8217;s catching on.
Steli Efti: That&#8217;s interesting. Remember, we did an episode a long time back now around transparency. Right?
Hiten Shah: Yep.
Steli Efti: Especially being a [inaudible] startup, sharing. I think, at the time, for a little while, it was this hot, new trend of sharing revenue numbers or sharing your [inaudible] metrics dashboard with everybody.
Hiten Shah: Open startups, they called it. Yeah.
Steli Efti: Open startups. Exactly. And then sharing salary numbers and sharing other things. I remember we had a really, I think, enlightening conversation for the listeners, a lot of people had commented on it, where it was like, well, there is no organizational human that is 100% transparent with the world. There&#8217;s always some things you just don&#8217;t know about. Even these open startups have things that they&#8217;re not sharing, or that they choose to share at a specific given time. This can be amazing marketing and it can be part of your culture and the kind of people you attract, but don&#8217;t feel forced into it. Right?
Hiten Shah: Right.
Steli Efti: Just make sure that it fits your personality and your culture. Even with the two of us, we both have co-founded&#8230; I think we both are fairly open. There&#8217;s lots of things that we keep private from the world, but I think we&#8217;re pretty open people, but we both have co-founders that are, in some areas, maybe a bit more secretive or uncomfortable sharing certain numbers with the world or something like that. We are close, have always been about sharing everything we know with the world, but when it came to our metrics, our revenue numbers, customer numbers and all that, those kind of things that we always kept close to our chest. It&#8217;s interesting that David Cancel sparked this idea of share your work. Now, here&#8217;s my big question for you or something that I&#8217;d love to hear your thoughts about. There&#8217;s beauty and there&#8217;s power in sharing your work, but there&#8217;s also risk if you do it while you&#8217;re still unsure about that work or the outcome of it, even if you fail at something or something fails that you&#8217;ve done. After it failed with some time passing, it&#8217;s pretty safe for founders or for startups to talk about it openly. Here&#8217;s the big failure. Here&#8217;s the big mistake we made. Usually they&#8217;ll get a lot of admiration, a lot of attention for it, so it&#8217;s kind of a safe thing to do. This is something in our past that we learned and we want to openly share with you everybody. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of that. What I&#8217;ve not seen a lot of is people sharing what they&#8217;re currently doing, where the outcome is completely unclear. It can&#8217;t be framed. It can&#8217;t be framed as, &#8220;This was the turning point of our success,&#8221; or, &#8220;This was the big mistake I made that I want to share.&#8221; It&#8217;s like, &#8220;This is what we&#8217;re currently doing. Who the fuck knows what&#8217;s going to happen?&#8221; And then, &#8220;Oh, we&#8217;re changing our mind. Oh, we&#8217;re changing our mind again.&#8221; Sort of like the more messy version of this is sharing in real-time, while you don&#8217;t have a narrative ready. You can&#8217;t frame it nicely. There&#8217;s maybe a fear that you&#8217;ll appear, I don&#8217;t know, less confident, less like you and your company have their shit together, yada, yada, yada. I&#8217;m curious about that, number one, if you agree with that observation. This is an observation I&#8217;ve made, but we&#8217;ve never talked about this, that I see lots and lots of really honest sharing, but always with some kind of time that has passed in order to be able to frame, and it appears to me that sharing your work in real-time seems more risky because you don&#8217;t control the narrative as nicely anymore. It&#8217;s harder to control the narrative.
Hiten Shah: Yeah, it shows a level of vulnerability when you do it, even if you don&#8217;t mean to show vulnerability when you do it, and I think that&#8217;s actually a big factor to how or what makes other people attracted by the idea that you did that and wanting to pay attention. It also sparks some level of curiosity that is natural for humans. We&#8217;re super curious, especially about other people. In a way, it&#8217;s a distraction from our own work, too. I think all these things are true and that makes sharing your work extremely beneficial to you, if you&#8217;re sharing it. Then, this idea of sharing it early or sharing it late, here&#8217;s the funny thing, when you share your work in a way, people feel like you shared it early even if you didn&#8217;t, because you shared your work, you did something that&#8217;s uncommon. Most people don&#8217;t share their work. They don&#8217;t go out there and go, &#8220;Hey, this is what I&#8217;m working on. Here&#8217;s how I came up with it. Here&#8217;s how I did it.&#8221; The benefits are literally incredible when you do it and you figure out how to do it for your market or your customer base or other founders, if that&#8217;s your market or whatever. I think that&#8217;s the part that&#8217;s hard to deny when it comes to this idea. It&#8217;s almost like there&#8217;s these weird false benefits to it that are hard to understand until you do it. What I mean by false benefits is, even if you didn&#8217;t intend to seem vulnerable, you will seem vulnerable when you share your work. Other people will be like, &#8220;Oh, that was so vulnerable,&#8221; or, &#8220;That was so transparent.&#8221; All you&#8217;re trying to do probably is just find a way to do marketing and get [inaudible] or get attention. The way you did that is by sharing your work, which is a lot of the intention behind it. While, if you think about a company like Buffer and their idea of transparency with salaries and all that stuff, I would say them being the poster children of the concept of sharing your work, they did it because they believe that&#8217;s the way it should be, which is very different than what I&#8217;m seeing a lot of people do today. It&#8217;s like David Cancel finally came around and kind of said this is the way it should be, we should be sharing this stuff in public so we can develop these things with customers. I think that&#8217;s obviously aspirational for someone like him who&#8217;s very private and secretive about what they&#8217;re doing at that company until they just do it. Now he&#8217;s saying that, look, even this revenue acceleration thing is a work in progress, and here&#8217;s how he thought about it. The promise was that he&#8217;s going to share more. Now I&#8217;m waiting for him to share more because I&#8217;m curious, but also he&#8217;s never been that transparent where he&#8217;ll share stuff that&#8217;s internal without it being marketing or it being super polished. This thing wasn&#8217;t really polished. It was really good. It was high quality, but it wasn&#8217;t polished. That&#8217;s just new to me from him, and it really got me thinking, this is the pro tip, especially if he&#8217;s catching on and into it and explaining it from a customer-centric mindset, because the second that clicked for someone like him, I think there&#8217;s no undoing it, if that makes sense.
Steli Efti: Yeah. Awesome. I think this last part is really important on the line and it explains so well why it spoke to you, why it stood out to you, is that it came from a customer-centric insight. That was the driver. It was not, did you know when you share your work it gets a lot of use. It was not, did you know sharing your work-
Hiten Shah: No, he didn&#8217;t say that. Yeah. None of that. Yeah.
Steli Efti: Yeah. I wonder, if he had said that, if he had looked at that and went, &#8220;Ah, okay.&#8221; But the customer-
Hiten Shah: Yeah, he himself put a narrative behind it of why he felt like he should share those slides. His whole idea was this is work in progress. In a way, you&#8217;re sharing your work. Sharing your work is really about sharing your work in progress.
Steli Efti: Love it. All right. Pro tip, you&#8217;ve heard it here, share your work, and let us know how it goes. All right, this is it from us. We&#8217;ll see you very soon.
Hiten Shah: Yeah.
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528: Pro Tip: Share Your Work

In today’s episode of the startup chat, Steli and Hiten talk about if there’s too much SaaS.



In the startup world, there are a lot of SaaS solutions for different industries and niches. One of the reasons is that it’s become so easy to build a SaaS product and founders are doing just that. Unfortunately, this leads to oversaturation and standing out is a challenge.



In today’s episode, Steli and Hiten talk about how people are building a lot of software right now, bottlenecks that affect selling a SaaS product today, advice for founders looking to start a saas company and much more.



Time Stamped Show Notes:



00:00 About today’s topic.



01:15 Why this topic was chosen.



01:37 How people are building a lot of software right now.



02:04 How bottlenecks affect selling SaaS today.



03:07 The current state of the SaaS industry.



04:16 How it’s easier than ever to build a SaaS product.



05:31 What customers think about the current state of SaaS.



05:59 How the market might go in the coming years.



07:36 If founders should be worried about competition.



08:01 Advice for founders looking to start a saas company.



3 Key Points:



<ul><li>People are building a lot of software right now.</li><li>I think there are all kinds of bottleneck today in selling SaaS</li><li>It’s easier than ever to build a SaaS product.</li></ul>


<div class="transcript">
Steli Efti: Hey everybody, this is Steli Efti.
Hiten Shah: And this is Hiten Shah.
Steli Efti: And today on The Startup Chat, we&#8217;re going to answer the question, isn&#8217;t it too much SaaS? So this is another infamous episode that&#8217;s based on a tweet that you made, and that tweet was based on a ton of work and exposure that you&#8217;ve had in this area, I assume. But you recently tweeted something that stood out to me and it kind of stirred the pot a little bit, a lot of people that, a lot of friends, a lot of people that are respected, the SaaS space responded to it in one way or another. So I felt like that&#8217;s the perfect material to unpack for our listeners. So let me ask you, maybe you tell people a little bit about that tweet and what proceeded there. What made you write about that? And then let&#8217;s just unpack this question of there&#8217;s too much SaaS and what does that mean for founders out there that are currently building their first SaaS product or running a small SaaS product?
Hiten Shah: Yeah, I mean, there is a lot of SaaS, so what I tweeted was this idea that nobody you don&#8217;t talk to people and they&#8217;re all like, &#8220;Hey, I want more software.&#8221; You know?
Steli Efti: Yeah.
Hiten Shah: And the reason I tweeted that is because people are building a lot of software right now. There are new sort of products coming into the market all the time in almost every category and there&#8217;s people making very good living building the software too. So the comment was more like, I see a lot of software that&#8217;s being built and then whether it&#8217;s no code or things that people are just building really quickly and then kind of considering it a project, and then they end up moving on. And so that&#8217;s one scenario. Another scenario is I think there&#8217;s all kinds of bottlenecks in selling today that selling SaaS that just didn&#8217;t exist before, because there was less SaaS. So we&#8217;re seeing things like if you&#8217;re in certain markets, you need a number of features that are parody for the market, which basically means it takes you more effort, more time to build the product you need to build, and you might take it to market and people might have expectations that you were not even expecting until you actually built it and gave it to them. So, yeah, there&#8217;s just a lot going on in the world when it comes to software and SaaS and kind of all aspects of it. So that&#8217;s kind of where it came from. I&#8217;ve interviewed a ton of people about all the different tools they use and all kinds of different sort of configurations in terms of the interviews from understanding why people switch different document apps, all the way to general customer development on things like how many apps do you use? How are they bought? Stuff like that. So, yeah, there&#8217;s a lot going on in the world. SaaS is just sort of a delivery mechanism for the kind of value that a customer needs. And I think all that stuff can be easily forgotten when you&#8217;re building and especially when you start talking to people, because they&#8217;re not going to tell you they don&#8217;t want more SaaS, but they&#8217;re not going to tell you they want more SaaS either. And we&#8217;re kind of in this weird spot where a lot of people are just creating more software, adding more features to their software. And yeah, I guess I just wanted to say something about it, so that&#8217;s what I said, but high level, there&#8217;s a lot of SaaS.
Steli Efti: There&#8217;s a lot. Remember that chart that every year it was published by some site?
Hiten Shah: Yeah. The marketing tech one.
Steli Efti: Yeah. And it was doubling, it was 2000 and 4,000, 8,000, whatever. I think the last one that I saw was like close to 10,000. I don&#8217;t know if they published a new one this year, but it was doubling, but the numbers obviously, the numbers became&#8230; Every category in every vector was more and more and more and more crowded. And so there was this idea that I remember even us discussing on the podcast of it&#8217;s easier than ever to build a SaaS product and it&#8217;s easier than it used to be to get the early traction. But maybe after the first couple of thousand in MRR, maybe it&#8217;ll start becoming harder than ever to maintain that momentum just because the moment you get slightly up and running, you&#8217;re running into so much competition in so many customer expectations that it&#8217;s really hard to keep up as a super tiny company. Now, this is not the first time that this trend happens in software, where you have this trend to consolidation, like the one tool, in the B2B world, the one tool to rule them all. We just want to buy one piece of software that just does everything that we need in our business. And then we know it was obviously led to these overly bloated products that couldn&#8217;t do a single thing as uniquely well as people wanted. And then there was this counter trend where all of a sudden where this like, kind of decoupling of a B2B software for every little thing you would do in some other products that already exist. Now, there was a tool that allowed you to do it faster, simpler, more elegantly, maybe better. And now we&#8217;re too much of that. So there&#8217;s kind of a, it seems like we&#8217;re swinging back in the trend of customers saying we&#8217;re overwhelmed by the amount of tools our team uses, everything doesn&#8217;t talk well to each other. We&#8217;re overwhelmed. And the last thing we want is to continued to purchase more and more and more software. We just want something that integrates well, and that does most of it. Do you think that&#8217;s going to be a trend that we&#8217;re going to see kind of gain steam of a lot next couple of years, and then will it swing back again or will something else happen? I know, obviously you don&#8217;t know, but I&#8217;m just curious, how you would bet the market goes over the next couple of years?
Hiten Shah: Yeah. I don&#8217;t see it slowing down. I really don&#8217;t. I see us having more software. It&#8217;s just so easy to build. And there&#8217;s so many different needs out there that are niched up where a little tweak to your software can get you, like you said, those first early customers. And the thing is for some people that thousand, couple thousand bucks in MRR and growing even slowly could be something that they desire. And it&#8217;s actually very like&#8230; You get to a certain amount of recurring revenue and you&#8217;re able to sort of not have to work for money at least. And that means more traditional like a job or something, so I just see more, I see a lot more.
Steli Efti: And so do you think that, so if I&#8217;m a founder today, right, and I rent maybe, or let&#8217;s say I&#8217;m a new somebody that wants to become a founder and for the past maybe two years I&#8217;ve been reading online about entrepreneurship. I started reading a bunch of stuff about SaaS and starting something as a single founder in the SaaS space. And now I&#8217;m just getting ready to be like, &#8220;You know what, I&#8217;m going to jump into the cold water and do this.&#8221; Should I be worried that maybe the stuff that I read is outdated? And if I start building something small now maybe I&#8217;ll never get traction because it&#8217;s too crowded? Or is it just coming back to the core principle of you just better be really, really certain you understand that customer, you better be really, really certain you&#8217;re differentiated, you better be really, really certain you understand something about how you&#8217;re going to go to market and grow this thing? Would you advise somebody coming to you today and saying, I want to be an entrepreneur, what is a good space to go in? Should I do SaaS or e-commerce or something else? Would you still advise people to do SaaS?
Hiten Shah: I think there&#8217;s a lot of ways to make money. So it depends if they&#8217;re able to build SaaS like a software on their own or not. So if they&#8217;re an engineer, yeah, I&#8217;d say absolutely build something or teach people something. And if you&#8217;re not an engineer, then I would say, go teach people something and build some cash so you can spend it on building SaaS if that&#8217;s kind of the direction you go in. So build an audience that you sell something to would be the first thing I would do.
Steli Efti: Yeah. Yeah. What about people that have a SaaS company up and running that maybe the last year, or in the early days they were hyper-focused that were very differentiated and as they&#8217;ve grown, they just kept adding features and now they&#8217;re at this point where they are wondering, should we expand drastically and try to become this platform of sorts that does most of the things, but then we might be competing with much bigger competition that already does this, or should we try to kind of stay true to this idea that we&#8217;re going to stay a smaller &#8220;better product&#8221; that&#8217;s not bloated, not complicated? How would you make that decision today in terms of you&#8217;ve been already up and running for a year or two, the early recipe to success was being simple and being specialized. And, but now you kind of have this market poll of adding more and more and more feature of competing naturally with bigger competition and you&#8217;re wondering, are we going down a path that we&#8217;re not ready to succeed at because we just are still a tiny team and we&#8217;re self-funded or customer-funded and the companies that we would compete against that are kind of all encompassing, they have a lot more money, a lot more people. So is it kind of a trap or is it maybe the direction that every SaaS company today that wants to maintain fast growth just has to take?
Hiten Shah: I think it just goes back to the customer. What is the problem you&#8217;re solving for the customer in either of those scenarios? And if the customer, if there are customers out there and you can reach them at a profit, then why would you add anything? If the features you have are good and there&#8217;s no problem to solve, don&#8217;t solve a problem that doesn&#8217;t exist. And so I look at it more like that. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an absolute that all software needs to turn into all-in-one. I also think customers are kind of different across the board, so it depends what you&#8217;re building and kind of who&#8217;s competing with you and what the alternatives are. A lot of times I think that you&#8217;ll see, I think one more commonplace thing happened more and more, which is people competing on price. So that&#8217;s kind of what I mean. If you compete on price, let&#8217;s say with HubSpot, you&#8217;re going to end up building as much as you can to kind of have feature parody with HubSpot. So in a way, it has a lot to do with your point of view, more so than anything else and what you believe customers need. Hopefully they&#8217;re pulling product out of you. If they&#8217;re not pulling product out of you where they have more needs that they want you to solve, that&#8217;s where you kind of run into a problem because you just won&#8217;t know what to do and then you might go do all the things that you see in the market out there, regardless of what maybe people would actually buy from you. You see that a lot.
Steli Efti: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome. All right. I think this is it for this episode. So I think we answered the question, is there too much SaaS with yes? Will there be more? Hell yes. What does that mean for you? It depends.
Hiten Shah: There you go, but talk to customers. Don&#8217;t forget. Just talk to customers.
Steli Efti: I don&#8217;t remember off the top of my head, the person that had made this little graph-
Hiten Shah: The flow chart.
Steli Efti: The flow chart, of after listening to 420 episodes of The Startup Chat, I came up with this flow chart. It&#8217;s basically, should I build a product? If you talk to customers and it&#8217;s like every possible problem a founder could have, it&#8217;s like, &#8220;Go talk to your customers to figure it out.&#8221;
Hiten Shah: Yep. Pretty much.
Steli Efti: All right. This is it from us for this episode. We&#8217;ll hear you very soon.
Hiten Shah: See ya.
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526: Is There Too Much SAAS?

Today on The Startup Chat, Steli and Hiten talk about a founders guide to feeling feelings.



Running a business is difficult and comes witha lot of stress that if not managed properly can lead to a lot of problems for a founder. Problems that could affect your personally or worse, the health of your business.



In today’s episode of the show, Steli and Hiten what it means to suppress your emotions, why doing so might not be a good thing, how to get in control of your emotions and much more.



Time Stamped Show Notes:



00:00 About today’s topic



00:32 Why this topic was chosen.



01:38 How Steli deals with his emotions.



03:25 One factor that determines how you deal with your feelings.



05:02 Another factor that determines how you deal with your feelings.



06:16 One way to get in control of your emotions.



08:35 The importance of recognizing your emotions.



09:05 A real-world example of dealing with emotions.



10:34 How Steli reacted to an emergency situation.



11:41 Why you can pay a big price if you suppress your emotions.



3 Key Points:



<ul><li>I can’t quite fully trust my emotions.</li><li>Think things through before you act.</li><li>Personality has a lot to do with how you express yourself to the outside world.</li></ul>


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[0:00:01]
Steli Efti: Hey everybody, this is Steli Efti.
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Hiten Shah: And this is Hiten Shah.
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Steli Efti: And today on the Startup Chat, we&#8217;re going to figure out if founders know how to feel their feelings or they&#8217;re just thinking them. So, here&#8217;s why I wanted to quickly talk to you about this. Anybody that&#8217;s been listening to the Startup Chat for a long time knows we have talked a lot about the inner game of being a founder. We&#8217;ve talked a lot about it, we have a good amount of episodes around managing your emotions, managing your states, managing other people&#8217;s emotions, because it&#8217;s an emotional game. And if you don&#8217;t control your feelings, they might lead you astray and into problematic situations. One thing that I recently discovered about myself, and I wanted to quickly unpack with you for founders, because I thought this might be useful to people that listened to us, is this realization that I had about myself that I think at some point at a young age, I started realizing that I can&#8217;t quite fully trust my feelings, and if I just act on my emotions, I wreak havoc, and I create all kinds of problems. So, I started focusing more on controlling my feelings through my mind, and through thinking things through, and not acting immediately, and slowing it down, and de-intensifying my feelings, analyzing them first. Over a long period of time, very subconsciously over decades, I think that I mastered&#8230; I overdid this to the point where over the last many, many years, I think I thought most of my feelings, especially the negative ones, right? So, I could tell you here&#8217;s a situation that I think I was hesitant in and probably was driven by some kind of a fear, I didn&#8217;t feel fear or I didn&#8217;t feel hesitant, but I didn&#8217;t feel nervous. I just thought, &#8220;I&#8217;m probably nervous in this situation,&#8221; but it didn&#8217;t have a physical sensation. And for many, many reasons, I think that that&#8217;s not a good idea. It&#8217;s not a good idea to just think your feelings. I think it&#8217;s a much better idea to actually feel them, be present for them, not let them overwhelm you or runaway with you, but not run away from them either, but actually being fully present for the feeling. And then, you can still decide to think things through at times before you act. But, as I was thinking about all my friends that were CEOs and founders and entrepreneurs, I was wondering if this is maybe not so unique of a case. And what the downside, let&#8217;s just talk about that, the potential downside could be for founders who have lost touch with their feelings, who&#8217;ve lost the ability to feel their feelings and are just so cognitively focused, that all they do is all their internal experience is always just in their head, in their mind thinking and analyzing. So, first throwing that out there. Does this make any sense? Does this resonate? Do you think I&#8217;m crazy and alone or do you think, &#8220;Yeah, most founders are like that; that&#8217;s totally normal. That&#8217;s not special at all&#8221;? what&#8217;s your initial reaction to this?
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Hiten Shah: Yeah, I would say that the there&#8217;s a few factors. So, there&#8217;s two factors that come to mind for me, as to how you deal with this or how this comes to be. One factor, which is probably the biggest one, is your personality. And personality is a longer topic, I&#8217;m sure. But, the reason I say that is your personality has a lot to do with how you express yourself to the outside world. And over time, as you run a business, your ability to bring out your personality in every interaction gets diminished. And the reason for that is most of the time in business, you are making decisions that involve other people and their wellbeing, as well as trying to bring those people on board with the decisions you&#8217;re trying to make. And you get really good at, honestly, not being yourself, if you want to put it like that. You end up becoming good at being a business person. That&#8217;s just what happens. And a lot of times that bleeds into all parts of your life and you end up suppressing your emotion and your personality unknowingly. And this shouldn&#8217;t necessarily be a negative thing. So, that&#8217;s one factor, which is what happens to your personality over time. This is inevitable. I don&#8217;t see anybody not hitting this, but their personality and then their own psyche and psychology points out like how this manifests in them. And I think the second piece that I&#8217;ve found with this is just this idea that when you are dealing with life, your first reaction for most human beings is emotional, and it&#8217;s really fast and it&#8217;s visceral. Some people would call it a gut feeling. Some people would just call it a trigger. Those things are what you start suppressing, is your ability to respond without emotion, ends up taking over the emotion itself and then you don&#8217;t even know what an emotion really is, and you start operating day-to-day, waking up doing the thing, going back to sleep, waking up, doing the thing, without having that feeling. And a lot of times your work takes over. So then your whole idea of life is really consumed by your work. And a lot of times this happens because you started the thing and you care that much about it, or for some people, some folks who are employees also get that same impact because of how much they care about the work they&#8217;re doing or believe they do. So, it&#8217;s not just founders, I think that are susceptible to this. I think the solution is just recognizing this might be happening to you, and in stepping back and actually finding ways to access your emotion at times when it&#8217;s safe to do so. Because I think what it really boils down to is that you don&#8217;t feel safe expressing your emotions to the people around you.
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Steli Efti: Yeah-
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Hiten Shah: Because that&#8217;s not you anymore.
[0:06:43]
Steli Efti: Yeah. That&#8217;s deep. I think also at some point, you attach to this new identity that is being created around you and so now you don&#8217;t trust yourself anymore to feel.
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Hiten Shah: And that identity is a rules engine. That identity is a rules engine like you were saying, and that&#8217;s not emotion. Emotions aren&#8217;t rules. There&#8217;s no rules to emotion. There&#8217;s no rules to love. It&#8217;s a rules engine that you create because you&#8217;re like, &#8220;Well, when I&#8217;m in this situation, I need to react like this in order to get the best outcome possible.&#8221; Okay, cool. That&#8217;s great. But, how did you feel about it? Nothing. Why nothing? Because I&#8217;m not supposed to feel anything. Why aren&#8217;t you supposed to feel anything? Because we got this thing to do. That&#8217;s the thing that plays out in your head, right. And then eventually, you become that person and that&#8217;s not necessarily a bad thing. Again, it&#8217;s just what happens. And then, you see this happen and I&#8217;m not going to&#8230; I don&#8217;t want to get into this, but I think it&#8217;s worth mentioning. The richest man in the world got divorced. Just think of that. And he got divorced because basically he didn&#8217;t want to be with that person anymore, go and be with somebody else.
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Steli Efti: Maybe, yeah. Maybe he really was [crosstalk 00:07:58].
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Hiten Shah: Yeah. I&#8217;m just saying. I don&#8217;t know. Either way, right? Something happened that caused that person to put half his wealth [crosstalk] sense.
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Steli Efti: Which is not&#8230; Which is like&#8230;
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Hiten Shah: I didn&#8217;t want to get into it because it&#8217;s his personal life. I don&#8217;t really care for it. It&#8217;s not my kind of drama, right? But dude, just think about it. You think that&#8217;s not from suppressed emotion? Oh, c&#8217;mon.
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Steli Efti: Yeah, yeah.
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Hiten Shah: For real? No, no, no. That&#8217;s 100% something from suppressed emotion. What? I don&#8217;t know.

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Steli Efti: So, I think that, not to confuse, especially, young founders that are just feeling like they&#8217;re becoming more effective as they&#8217;re learning to suppress their emotions more and they&#8217;re like, Wait a second. Am I not supposed to do this?
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Hiten Shah: No, no, no. You&#8217;re supposed to do it, it&#8217;s okay.
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Steli Efti: No, no. It&#8217;s fine to do it. But, I think it&#8217;s important to recognize and then decompress, or then trans&#8230; You want to make sure that you don&#8217;t do this so much and so often that it becomes such second nature, that you just don&#8217;t feel any emotions anymore because then you dehumanize yourself. And then, you might accomplish all kinds of incredible things and be like, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t I feel anything? I wanted to be excited or happy or fulfilled. And just nothing. Look inside my body and soul is emptiness there. What happened?&#8221; And I think, it just popped up in my mind, we had an episode that I recorded once, where I lost one of my sons at a playground. And I was running for 30 minutes, searching around. Eventually like 30 parents in this entire big park were running around, trying to look for my son while I had the police on the phone. And then, we found him. I remember when we recorded this episode telling you that the entire time I was running around like a crazy person trying to find him, there were multiple dialogues going on. One was a very analytical like, &#8220;Okay, I&#8217;ve searched here, I&#8217;ve searched there. What&#8217;s the next logical point?&#8221; The next level of dialogue was just disbelief where it was just like, &#8220;This isn&#8217;t happening. This is just not possible. There must be some rational way. He&#8217;s not lost. It just need to figure it out.&#8221; And then, the third dialogue that was going on was a, &#8220;Why am I not feeling anything?&#8221; Right. &#8220;Holy shit, I&#8217;m really cold and empty and emotionless right now.&#8221; And I was telling myself, &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s probably because I just need to function.&#8221; And then we talked and laughed about this, where you like, &#8220;I would have been doing the same thing.&#8221; It was just, you have to function. This is an emergency situation. It&#8217;s not the time to feel pain or afraid or break down. You have to figure it out and then you can deal with your emotions. O. I think the important thing for me back then, this may be a good way to wrap this up or to pack this into a metaphor, was that once I found him and we went back home, I didn&#8217;t just tell myself, &#8220;Well, I didn&#8217;t feel anything. I found him. I managed the situation quite well. I&#8217;m a man. I&#8217;m a good dad. Whatever, let&#8217;s forget about this. Let me put on the television.&#8221; I was like, &#8220;All right, I brought him home, talked to his mom,&#8221; and then I was like, &#8220;I need to go on a walk.&#8221; And I went on a walk until I could figure out where are my feelings. Where is this? And then, I did feel them. And I had to be able to let go of all the panic and the fear and the stress that I felt during those 30 minutes. That was a very crazy moment, but in many, many other small stressful moments, I didn&#8217;t do this because I didn&#8217;t recognize and realize what was going on. And I think that you could pay a big price if you don&#8217;t make sure that, at times when you push away your emotions, you use the rules engine of your personality to strategically act and get the outcome for everybody that you then don&#8217;t forget that there still are emotions somewhere in your body that need to be processed. And if you don&#8217;t, there&#8217;s going to be a price that you&#8217;re going to pay that you&#8217;re probably not going to like. So, I don&#8217;t know. That&#8217;s the lesson learned and one maybe practical thing, because we always love to do practical stuff even if it&#8217;s philosophical or emotional. One thing that I started that I can recommend to anybody that&#8217;s like, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know if I have feelings or not.&#8221; You probably don&#8217;t. If you&#8217;re puzzled, if you don&#8217;t know, you&#8217;re probably in my camp. But, one thing that I did that yielded really good results that was really compelling, interesting, was just to start a little simple emotional diary. So, for a couple of days, I was just like, &#8220;Let me try a couple of times a day to write down how I feel.&#8221; And I struggled so hard with this exercise that it opened up a bunch of things and make me realize that a ton of things. It was super useful to me. So, just as a little pragmatic tip at the end of this crazy episode. If you don&#8217;t know if you have feelings, maybe try writing them down for a couple of days and see what happens.
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Hiten Shah: That&#8217;s the best. I got nothing more to add. That&#8217;s good. Feel your feelings.
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Steli Efti: Feel your feelings.
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Hiten Shah: Just at the right times.
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Steli Efti: That&#8217;s it from us for this episode. We&#8217;ll hear you very soon. Bye bye.
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Hiten Shah: Yeah.
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525: A Founders Guide to Feeling Feelings

Today on The Startup Chat we talk about worry. We get lots of questions about things that are rooted in worry. Worry is a useless emotion that just paralyzes action and problem solving. There are 2 different problems people worry about. 
<ol>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">The problem you can’t do anything about.</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">The problem that you will never have.</li>
</ol>
Worry can be helpful in business because it tells you there is an issue that needs to be addressed. A worry should be short term and dealt with in a matter of hours not days or weeks.
Here are some observations we had about worry:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">What exactly is a worry</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">The 2 questions to ask yourself</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">Problems you will never have</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">The difference a little experience makes</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">Hiten’s helpful hack for worrying</li>
<li style="font-weight: 400;">The productive way to worry vs. the unproductive way to worry</li>
</ul>
Learning how to worry is key to keeping your business running smoothly. Problems should be dealt with quickly, when a worry creeps up, be proactive.
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Today on The Startup Chat we talk about worry. We get lots of questions about things that are rooted in worry. Worry... Listen now...

520: Encore episode – How to Worry in Business

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