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A Rational Fear
Dan Ilic
Considering Scope 3!
OCT 10, 202621 MIN
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Special guest: Michael Bones, Senior Manager of Advocacy at the Investor Group on Climate Change
A landmark High Court decision could change how Australian authorities assess proposed fossil-fuel projects. Dan Ilic and Lewis Hobba speak with Michael Bones about the Mount Pleasant coal mine case, why Scope 3 emissions matter, and what the ruling does—and doesn’t—mean for future mine approvals.
In this episode
Dan shares his move into the CEO role at GetUp.
Michael explains the High Court’s ruling on the proposed Mount Pleasant mine expansion and emissions from exported coal.
The group discusses why Scope 3 emissions made up about 98% of the project’s emissions, and why the court said authorities must consider their local climate impacts.
Michael clarifies that the ruling does not automatically block the mine: planning authorities must consider the impacts, but can still decide to approve a project.
The conversation explores what the decision could mean for future mine approvals, climate-related legal challenges, and communities facing fires, floods, heat and other climate risks.
They also discuss climate damage to the economy, the social cost of carbon, clean-energy jobs and the costs of rebuilding after disasters.
Dan and Lewis wrap up with details about the Irrational Fear live show at the Cheerful Earful Podcast Festival in Melbourne.
Chapters
00:04 Dan’s new role and nonprofit life
01:51 The live show and today’s guest
03:00 Michael Bones joins to unpack Scope 3 emissions
04:09 The Mount Pleasant case and what the High Court decided
06:22 Why Scope 3 emissions account for most of the project’s footprint
07:39 Attribution science and connecting emissions to local impacts
09:09 The scale of the proposed coal expansion
09:37 What the ruling could mean for other mine approvals
12:14 Climate disasters, housing and economic costs
14:13 What planning authorities are required to consider
16:09 Potential implications for mining projects
18:01 The High Court decision and its 3–2 split
20:21 Closing thoughts and live-show details
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