83| Keep Ownership at the Right Level: How to Sustain Organizational Transformation [with Anna Pessah]

Overstepping ownership rarely looks like overstepping. It looks like moving things along. You know how something could be improved, so you give your suggestion. Work gets done, progress is visible, but the person you were there to develop doesn't build the capability they need, and the improvement doesn't sustain. Every change leader, manager, and executive does this at some point. And when we take on ownership of what isn't ours, we end up the bottleneck. As a transformational change leader at Kaiser Permanente, Anna Pessah watches this play out every day with the internal consulting team she leads, and with the physician and operational leaders she supports. We break down this challenge and share the practices to use instead. Leaders don't need to stop helping or teaching. It's about getting clear about what each person owns, and adjusting how you help based on what that leader needs in the moment. When ownership sits in the right place, people grow, improvements hold, and you have the space to do what is actually yours to do. You’ll Learn: How to make ownership explicit from the start, by contracting up front and saying out loud which hat you're wearing, coach or consultant or teacher Why leaders learn good coaching practices best by being coached, and how making your own practice visible lets others model it Why the pull to step in gets stronger the more you care about the outcome Why a new practice often swings too far one direction at first, and how to find the middle without abandoning it When asking coaching questions stops being helpful, and how to be directive without taking over the thinking ABOUT MY GUEST: Anna Pessah leads the internal consulting team that oversees the operating system at the North Valley Service Area of Kaiser Permanente, where she coaches physician and operational leaders on strategy, management systems, and the behaviors that support a culture of improvement. She is an industrial engineer from the University of Michigan and an ICF-certified coach. Anna brings a blend of systems thinking, operational improvement, and leadership development to help leaders generate insight, turn goals into action, and build habits that stick. IMPORTANT LINKS: Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/83  Connect with Anna Pessah: linkedin.com/in/anna-pessah  Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson  Subscribe to my newsletter: kbjanderson.com/newsletter  Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE: 03:16 Why change leaders struggle to keep ownership with leaders 05:22 When helping starts creating dependence 06:15 Building capability instead of becoming the bottleneck 07:12 Why doing more can make your job harder 09:23 Getting explicit about roles and ownership 11:25 Why new practices require reflection and adjustment 13:17 Making your leadership practices visible 16:03 How to give direction without taking over 22:16 What happens when leaders operate at the wrong level 24:05 The personal cost of staying in the weeds 25:30 Why helping can turn into overstepping 27:43 When coaching questions aren’t helpful 31:25 The power of listening—and leaving space 36:46 Why humility is essential to learning 38:18 Recognizing your own pull to control 39:06 Simple practices for keeping ownership where it belongs