Rob Bos on GitHub Copilot, AI Engineering Fluency, and Better Software Delivery

In this episode, I sat down with Rob Bos to talk about what’s happening across GitHub, Azure DevOps, GitHub Advanced Security, and the fast-moving world of GitHub Copilot. Rob shared how his work evolved from DevOps consulting and CI/CD into GitHub-focused training, governance, supply-chain security, and Copilot enablement. We talked about why so many teams are moving source control to GitHub first, how GitHub is pulling ahead on new features, and why products like Advanced Security, Dependabot, code scanning, and Copilot are becoming central to modern software delivery. We also went deep on what it actually takes to use AI coding tools well. Rob made the case that handing someone a Copilot license is nowhere near enough: teams need training, realistic expectations, strong specs, good test harnesses, and better feedback loops. We discussed usage-based billing, token costs, environmental impact, AI Engineering Fluency, and why the future of engineering may belong to teams that combine business context, solid controls, and AI-native workflows instead of treating LLMs like magic.Rob Bos on GitHub: https://github.com/rajbos DevOps Journal (Rob Bos blog): https://devopsjournal.io/ Xebia: https://xebia.com/ Xebia Tech Hub: https://tech.xebia.ms/ GitHub: https://github.com/ GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot GitHub Actions: https://github.com/features/actions GitHub Advanced Security: https://github.com/security/advanced-security Dependabot: https://github.com/dependabot Azure DevOps: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/devops Visual Studio Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Visual Studio: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/ JetBrains: https://www.jetbrains.com/ AI Engineering Fluency for VS Code (Visual Studio Marketplace): https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=RobBos.copilot-token-tracker AI Engineering Fluency for Visual Studio (Visual Studio Marketplace): https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=RobBos.AIEngineeringFluency GitHub Advanced Security (GHAS) course by Rob Bos on LinkedIn Learning: https://www.linkedin.com/learning/github-advanced-security-ghas Learning GitHub Advanced Security for Azure DevOps by Rob Bos on LinkedIn Learning: https://www.linkedin.com/learning/learning-github-advanced-security-for-azure-devops Responsible GitHub Copilot: Creating Reliable Code Ethically by Rob Bos on LinkedIn Learning: https://www.linkedin.com/learning/responsible-github-copilot-creating-reliable-code-ethically-24981582 GitHub Actions in Action: https://www.manning.com/books/github-actions-in-action The GitHub Copilot Handbook: https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/the-github-copilot-handbook-9781806116638