Less Surface Level
Less Surface Level

Less Surface Level

Tessa Lloyd

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the podcast for queer women done with small talk.

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S04 E10 Dating, love and becoming a Mum with Courtney Gledhill
DEC 4, 2025
S04 E10 Dating, love and becoming a Mum with Courtney Gledhill

Today I'm sitting down with my beautiful friend Courtney to explore the parts of her story that often stay unseen, the ones that shaped how she came to understand herself, her sexuality, and the kind of love that comes from realising what you deserve.

We talk about dating women for the first time, the patterns she noticed repeating, and the lessons that showed her the version of herself she was growing into. Courtney shares the moment she realised she deserved more than the love she had accepted in the past, and the boundaries and non-negotiables that became clearer along the way.

Courtney also opens up about falling in love with Amy, the ways she softened in the safety of that relationship, and what felt different about Amy from the beginning. She speaks honestly about what was happening internally for her in those early days, and how being with Amy changed what she believed she deserved in love.

We then move into their donor conception journey, from the first conversations about having a baby to the emotional and practical realities of researching fertility options, choosing a donor, and the conception process as a same-sex couple. Courtney shares what she wishes she knew earlier, what felt overwhelming, and how this process both strengthened and stretched their relationship. Finally, she offers gentle guidance for queer women who want to explore donor conception but don’t know where to begin.

This episode is a tender look at identity, unlearning, partnership, and creating a family in a way that feels true.

To follow Courtney's journey:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtneygledhill/

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79 MIN
S04 E06 Letting go of body hate with Ashlee Thomas
NOV 6, 2025
S04 E06 Letting go of body hate with Ashlee Thomas

In this episode, Tessa sits down with Ashlee Thomas; Australian lived-experience advocate, speaker, and co-founder of The Secret Burden, a charity leading national change around body image, eating disorders, and women’s mental health.

Ashlee opens up about her powerful journey from anorexia to self-acceptance and peace. Together, we explore how women can begin releasing the constant pressure to “fix” their bodies and instead reconnect with freedom, trust, and self-compassion.

You’ll hear about:
• the emotional reality of eating disorder recovery and body image healing
• how media, perfectionism, and identity shape the way women see themselves
• redefining health beyond appearance or control
• letting go of shame and learning to feel safe in your body again
• simple steps to start feeling more free, connected, and kind toward yourself

Ashlee also shares how she transformed her personal pain into purpose through The Secret Burden’s workshops, mentoring, and advocacy, inspiring women everywhere to challenge the stigma and start healing their relationship with their bodies.

A little more about Ashlee:
Ashlee Thomas is a media presenter, author of Surviving the Jungle, and founding director of The Secret Burden Ltd. Her work has appeared on 60 Minutes, CNN, The Today Show, and CBS12. She also hosts The Secret Sunday Session podcast and continues to lead national education programs empowering women to feel at home in their bodies.


To find out more:

🔗 thesecretburden.org.au
📖 Surviving the Jungle (Ashlee's book): all profits support The Secret Burden
🎙 The Secret Sunday Session: available on all podcast platforms

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85 MIN