How to Talk to Kids About Hard Things with Michael Keller and Eliott Cherry

In this candid and hilarious episode, the fellas sit down with NYC pastor Michael Keller and his best friend (and official pastor of Dadville) Elliott Cherry. Growing up in the shadow of his late father, legendary pastor Tim Keller, Michael shares what it was really like being a pastor’s kid, stepping away from inherited faith, and discovering his own identity in Christ. Together, the dads unpack key insights from Michael’s books, The Stories We Live By and Talking to Kids About Hard Things, exploring why modern culture’s "you do you" narratives leave parents exhausted and anxious. Instead of striving for perfect parenting, Michael explains why kids don't need flawlessness—they need parents who model repentance, grace, and quick forgiveness when things go wrong. Packed with faith-filled wisdom, disc golf reality checks, and middle-child banter, this episode offers an essential roadmap for navigating fatherhood with authentic grace. All Things Dave: https://www.davebarnes.com/ All Things Jon: http://jonmcl.com Thanks to our sponsors! Boll & Branch - Get 15% off plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at http://bollandbranch.com/dadville Exclusions apply. Quince - Go to http://quince.com/dadville 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Compassion - There’s a child waiting for a sponsor today. Don’t wait for the “right time.” Go to http://compassion.com/dadville and be the one who says yes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices