Two Middle Powers. One AI Bet

Live from ALL IN 2026 in Montreal, John Stackhouse and Nora Bieberstein sit down with three German business leaders — Yvonne Denz of the Canadian German Chamber of Industry and Commerce, Robert Jozic of Schwarz Digits, and Dr. Ralf Wintergerst of Giesecke+Devrient — as Germany serves as ALL IN's Country of Honour. Recorded the same week Canada and Germany backed Yoshua Bengio's AI safety lab LawZero and built on last year's Digital Alliance, they discuss why Schwarz backed the Cohere-Aleph Alpha merger and what a deeper Canada-Germany tech partnership could mean for both economies. Chapters: 0:00 Intro — live from ALL IN Montreal 0:41 Co-host Nora Bieberstein joins 1:20 Yvonne Denz on Germany's delegation to Canada 2:02 Inside the industrial AI panel with BSF 3:29 Making the case for Canada-Germany business 5:36 Robert Jozic on scaling sovereign AI at Schwarz Digits 6:19 Middle powers vs. the tech hegemons 8:54 The Cohere-Aleph Alpha deal, on the record 10:12 What Germany offers Canada 11:45 Dr. Ralf Wintergerst on Germany's AI ambitions 13:19 Combining Canada's AI research with Germany's industrial base 14:27 The "third moment" in global AI 15:32 What Canada offers Germany 16:38 Building the digital euro 18:34 Reflections: the globalization of AI CONNECT & SUBSCRIBE: • Follow RBC Thought Leadership on LinkedIn • Follow John Stackhouse on LinkedIn • For more insights visit RBC Thought Leadership Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.