<p>In this episode, Ben and Matthew discuss Carlos Portugal’s &quot;Deserts,&quot; translated by Asheley Nova Navarro, which <a href='https://joylandpublishing.com/fiction/deserts/'>appeared in March 2026 in <em>Joyland</em></a>, then share music and book recommendations.</p>

In this episode, Ben and Matthew discuss Carlos Portugal’s "Deserts," translated by Asheley Nova Navarro, which appeared in March 2026 in Joyland, then share music and book recommendations. 

Carlos Portugal's "Deserts"

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