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We got to welcome Dr. Benjamin Park, author of American Zion, onto our show! We greatly enjoyed having him on, and got to talk about being an historian, what it’s like to get access to the oldest of church records, what makes American Zion different from other histories and his perspective on researching the early and modern LDS church. Thanks Ben! You can find Dr. Park on YouTube, Instagram, FaceBook, and Tik Tok as @benjaminparkhistorian. Link to our Face in Hat discord server! https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh YouTube channel! Thanks Eric! https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat/playlists Dialogue Podcast Network https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/ American Zion: A New History of Mormonism, by Benjamin E. Park https://www.amazon.com/American-Zion-New-History-Mormonism/dp/1631498657 Mormon History Association https://mormonhistoryassociation.org/ Berkeley Ward Centennial https://berkeleyward.org/100/ Judge Me, Dear Reader, by Erwin E. Wirkus https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2815468-judge-me-dear-reader Going Forward with Religious Freedom and NondiscriminationBy President Dallin H. Oaks of the First Presidency, 2021 talk at the University of Virginia https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-dallin-h-oaks-speech-university-of-virginia Dictates of Conscience: From Mormon High Priest to My New Life as a Woman, by Laurie Lee Hall https://www.signaturebooks.com/books/p/dictates-of-conscience What Carol Lynn Pearson's Diaries Reveal About the LDS Church, by Benjamin Park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEK_1C9X8MU The Diaries of Carol Lynn Pearson―Mormon Author, Feminist, and Activist: Volume 1: 1956–1990 https://amzn.to/3QW6Kmg The Diaries of Carol Lynn Pearson—Mormon Author, Feminist, and Activist: Volume 2: 1990–2002 https://amzn.to/4fish0q

We are so pleased to have Matt, Berkeley Ward Bishop from 2008-2013 on our show today! Today’s chapter of American Zion, Showtime, 1995-2012, covers an important part of our Ward’s history, when Prop 8 was voted on in California to ban gay marriage. Matt talks about his experiences being a church leader at the time and provides some excellent inside info. Join us! Link to our Face in Hat discord server! https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh YouTube channel! Thanks Eric! https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat/playlists Dialogue Podcast Network https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/ American Zion: A New History of Mormonism, by Benjamin E. Park https://www.amazon.com/American-Zion-New-History-Mormonism/dp/1631498657 The rise of the liberal Latter-day Saints and the battle for the future of Mormonism, by Emily Kaplan https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2021/09/27/rise-liberal-latter-day-saints/ 4.3 Liberal hair lengths (where we covered that article before) https://faceinhat.podbean.com/e/43-liberal-hair-lengths/ 2008 California Proposition 8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8 George Hugh Niederauer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hugh_Niederauer The bit from Matt about $5k donations from stake presidents: this is inside info :) Props to Obama, Did he help push California’s gay-marriage ban over the top? By Farhad Manjoo https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/11/did-barack-obama-help-push-california-s-proposition-8-over-the-top.html?pay=1781372928803&support_journalism=please The Root: The Misjudged Black Vote On Gay Marriage, by David Kaufman https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134257733/the-root-the-misjudged-black-vote-on-gay-marriage Prop 8 Protesting Turns Ugly, by Will Frampton https://web.archive.org/web/20110608063501/http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=50266 November 2015 policy change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_the_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints#November_2015_policy_change Prop 8: The Musical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o "8": A Play about the Fight for Marriage Equality https://www.youtube.com/live/qlUG8F9uVgM 3.14 Paul, the Oakland Temple, and Pride https://faceinhat.podbean.com/e/314-paul-the-oakland-temple-and-pride/

We felt “The Family: A Proclamation to the World” deserved its own minisode, so join us as we take a modern look at this document, nearly wrapping up our tour of American Zion by Benjamin Park. Two more to go! Link to our Face in Hat discord server! https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh YouTube channel! Thanks Eric! https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat/playlists Dialogue Podcast Network https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/ American Zion: A New History of Mormonism, by Benjamin E. Park https://www.amazon.com/American-Zion-New-History-Mormonism/dp/1631498657 The Family: A Proclamation to the World https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world/the-family-a-proclamation-to-the-world Raising Kids and Running a Household: How Working Parents Share the Load https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/11/04/raising-kids-and-running-a-household-how-working-parents-share-the-load/ Almost 1 in 5 stay-at-home parents in the U.S. are dads https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/03/almost-1-in-5-stay-at-home-parents-in-the-us-are-dads/ The Proclamation on Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_A_Proclamation_to_the_World More from Melissa Inouye https://substack.com/profile/180982606-melissa-inouye The Plan and the Proclamation, by Elder (now President) Dallin H. Oaks https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2017/10/the-plan-and-the-proclamation The Family-Centered Gospel of Jesus Christ, by President Dallin H. Oaks. This is a more recent talk that also mentions the proclamation. It also includes talk of President Oaks’ own family, including his father. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2025/10/58oaks “There Is Always a Struggle”: An Interview with Chieko N. Okazaki, by Gregory A. Prince https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/there-is-always-a-struggle-an-interview-with-chieko-n-okazaki/ Source of Eric’s quote about W. H. Pugmire https://lordbassingtonbassington.blogspot.com/2009/12/queen-of-eldritch-horror.html My AMV interview with the Queen of Eldritch Horror, by Eric Jepson https://thmazing.blogspot.com/2010/02/my-amv-interview-with-queen-of-eldritch.html New York Doll (2005) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436629/

In the 1970s, Leonard Arrington formed an enclave of church scholars and historians that had such an open attitude of research and discovery that they called it Camelot. By the early 90s, attitudes had shifted greatly against these “so-called” intellectuals, and not just them but also feminists and LGBTQ groups. The road from Camelot had many twists and turns. Join us as we read the next chapter of American Zion, “Fault Lines, 1970-1995.” Link to our Face in Hat discord server! https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh YouTube channel! Thanks Eric! https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat/playlists Dialogue Podcast Network https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/ American Zion: A New History of Mormonism, by Benjamin E. Park https://www.amazon.com/American-Zion-New-History-Mormonism/dp/1631498657 Leonard J. Arrington https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_J._Arrington Likely the quote about false robes of the priesthood is not Packer but Nibley? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSjE2Ks38uE&t=1s September Six https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Six For more info on President Oak’s comments on religious freedom and past and present policies, see Nathan Oman’s book! Living Oracles: Law and the Latter-day Saint Tradition, by Nathan B. Oman https://www.amazon.com/Living-Oracles-Latter-day-Saint-Tradition/dp/0197825818 He also gave a talk recently! https://vimeo.com/1171661828 Lester E. Bush Jr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_E._Bush_Jr. The big article on the priesthood ban in Dialog, by Lester E. Bush https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V08N01_13.pdf Zootopia Exposed! (Part Two) https://overcast.fm/+AA5IlBTodVE LDS Genesis Group https://www.ldsgenesisgroup.org/ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Thatcher_Ulrich Carol Lynn Pearson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Lynn_Pearson Fascinating Womanhood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascinating_Womanhood The God Makers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Makers Saturday’s Warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday%27s_Warrior Added Upon: A Story, by Nephi Anderso https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1508762.Added_Upon Moral Majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority Woman’s Exponent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman%27s_Exponent Exponent II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponent_II Equal Rights Amendment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment Solus, by Anonymous https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/solus/ “Well behaved women rarely make history”, quote by Laurel Thatcher Ulrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Thatcher_Ulrich#.22Well-behaved_women_seldom_make_history.22 A House Full of Females, by Laurel Thatcher Ulrich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_House_Full_of_Females Phyllis Schlafly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly Sonia Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Johnson Crossing the Rubicon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Rubicon The Miracle of Forgiveness, by Spencer W. Kimball https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_of_Forgiveness The band Eric mentioned, fronted by Amy Gileadi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunfall_Festival Margaret Merrill Toscano work on Dialogue https://www.dialoguejournal.com/dialogue-journal-authors/margaret-merrill-toscano/ Strengthening Church Members Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strengthening_Church_Members_Committee

End of the year show! We cover topics from the tail end of the Doctrine and Covenants that have been kicking around in our heads. We’ll be back next year continuing with more of American Zion! Link to our Face in Hat discord server! https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh YouTube channel! Thanks Eric! https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat/playlists Dialogue Podcast Network https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/ American Zion: A New History of Mormonism, by Benjamin E. Park https://www.amazon.com/American-Zion-New-History-Mormonism/dp/1631498657 Berkeley Ward Centennial https://berkeleyward.org/100/ D&C 135 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/135?lang=eng Praise to the Man, Hymn 27 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/music/songs/praise-to-the-man?lang=eng Original lyrics of Praise to the Man https://bhroberts.org/records/6kQ26b-UhyHjb/lyrics_to_joseph_smith_praise_to_the_man_originally_published_in_1844 More on the conspiracy against Joseph being infiltrated in the book Saints: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1/43-a-public-nuisance?lang=eng#p21 Joseph and Emma Grow Old Together, by Eric Jepson https://lit.mormonartist.net/2018/06/joseph-and-emma-grow-old-together-by-eric-jepson/ Culprit (single) by LOYAL WIFE. Check this out, it’s awesome! https://sunsetalliance.bandcamp.com/album/culprit-single Official Declaration 1 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/od/1?lang=eng The Messenger and the Manifesto, by Jed Woodworth https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/revelations-in-context/the-messenger-and-the-manifesto?lang=eng Episode 1.8, Polygamy’s Ghost https://faceinhat.podbean.com/e/episode-8-polygamy-s-ghost/ Seminary manual, Doctrine and Covenants 132:1–2, 34–66, Plural Marriage https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-seminary-teacher-manual-2025/453-doctrine-and-covenants-132-1-2-34-66?lang=eng Polygamy google search https://www.google.com/search?q=was+polygamy+a+commandment+lds Newsroom link: Polygamy: Latter-day Saints and the Practice of Plural Marriage https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/polygamy-latter-day-saints-and-the-practice-of-plural-marriage Fanny Alger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Alger Lots of details on Fanny Alger on fairlatterdaysaints.org: https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Plural_wives/Fanny_Alger/Discovered_in_a_barn Encouraging Joseph Smith to Practice Plural Marriage: The Accounts of the Angel with a Drawn Sword, by Brian C. Hales https://ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Encouraging-Joseph-Smith-to-Practice-Plural-Marriage-The-Accounts-of-the-Angel-with-a-Drawn-Sword.pdf Statement on Polygamy by Brian C. Hales https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/testimonies/scholars/brian-c-hales Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Elizabeth_Rollins_Lightner A note about “Father, Mother, Mother, and Mom”, Orson Scott Card’s musical about polygamy, is on his wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card_bibliography#Plays A pdf version is available! https://sunstone.org/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/006-f1-f16.pdf Pop Culture on the Apricot Tree, a podcast dedicated to discussing pop culture from a Latter-day Saint perspective https://www.popcultureapricottree.com/