<p>Early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss modern love, traditional marriage, and the New York Times “gray divorcée” who is the latest main character in the discourse.</p><p></p><p>LINKS:</p><p>The original offense: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/30/opinion/marriage-divorce-happy.html">Opinion | It’s OK That Our Long, Mostly Good Marriage Ended - The New York Times</a></p><p>The origin story: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/style/his-and-her-books-tattle-on-marriage.html">His and Her Books Tattle on Marriage - The New York Times</a></p><p>Kat’s interview with Cathi: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thefp.com/p/two-drinks-with-a-very-modern-lover">Two Drinks with. . . a Very Modern Lover</a></p><p>Phoebe on Overcorrections:</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe</a>