Defying the status quo: A conversation on courage

What does it take to challenge the rules everyone else accepts? In this episode of Flying Solo, Cec Busby speaks with Avril Henry, who left apartheid South Africa at 22 with two suitcases and $500, then built a career advising business leaders, public servants, diplomats, and major Australian institutions. Avril Henry shares how questioning authority shaped her life, why women are labelled “difficult” when they stand their ground, and how preparation, evidence, and influence can turn uncomfortable questions into meaningful change. The conversation covers paid maternity leave, gender equity, imposter syndrome, negotiating your worth, and the importance of taking up space and standing your ground. As Avril puts it, “Do not make yourself small to make other people feel comfortable” Key topics Avril Henry's early life in South Africa and her anti-apartheid activism The importance of questioning authority and challenging societal norms The role of influence and soft skills in leadership and change management Myths about women in leadership and how to bust them The impact of preparation, research, and confidence in negotiations and influence The significance of empathy, emotional intelligence, and human connection in future leadership Time-stamped overview 00:00 Introduction and Avril's background 01:56 Growing up in South Africa and early influences 03:56 The 76 riots and activism against apartheid 07:00 Leaving South Africa and migrating to Australia 08:58 Questioning authority and societal norms 11:02 Change management and influence tactics 14:10 Dealing with being called difficult or disruptive 16:01 The importance of preparation and research 19:00 Impact of data and facts in influencing decision-makers 21:57 Myths about women in leadership roles 26:00 The future of leadership and soft skills 35:57 Leveraging soft skills and emotional intelligence 41:01 The role of AI and human connection 42:52 Advice for women who want to be more assertive 45:00 The importance of self-belief and mentorship 47:56 Closing thoughts and Avril's memoir Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices