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<p>Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.<br />
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<p><b>Transcript:</b><br />
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<p><b>EPISODE LINKS:</b><br />
Pavel’s Telegram: <a href="https://t.me/durov">https://t.me/durov</a><br />
Pavel’s X: <a href="https://x.com/durov">https://x.com/durov</a><br />
Telegram: <a href="https://telegram.org/">https://telegram.org/</a><br />
Telegram Contests: <a href="https://contest.com/">https://contest.com/</a></p>
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<p><b>OUTLINE:</b><br />
(00:00) – Introduction<br />
(02:46) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections<br />
(11:29) – Philosophy of freedom<br />
(14:37) – No alcohol<br />
(22:42) – No phone<br />
(28:38) – Discipline<br />
(49:50) – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics<br />
(1:05:12) – Arrest in France<br />
(1:21:23) – Romanian elections<br />
(1:32:18) – Power and corruption<br />
(1:41:50) – Intense education<br />
(1:53:51) – Nikolai Durov<br />
(1:58:19) – Programming and video games<br />
(2:02:33) – VK origins & engineering<br />
(2:19:46) – Hiring a great team<br />
(2:29:02) – Telegram engineering & design<br />
(2:48:04) – Encryption<br />
(2:53:01) – Open source<br />
(2:57:48) – Edward Snowden<br />
(3:00:20) – Intelligence agencies<br />
(3:01:32) – Iran and Russia government pressure<br />
(3:04:41) – Apple<br />
(3:11:38) – Poisoning<br />
(3:43:53) – Money<br />
(3:52:45) – TON<br />
(4:02:35) – Bitcoin<br />
(4:05:34) – Two chairs dilemma<br />
(4:12:14) – Children<br />
(4:23:24) – Father<br />
(4:27:55) – Quantum immortality<br />
(4:34:27) – Kafka</p>
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