<description>
        &lt;p&gt;It is the season 6 FINALE and we've got the amazing Brittany Luse here for a story about A-list authors, ill-advised MFAs, and pets in places where they shouldn't be. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Listen to Brittany's podcast, &lt;a href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510317/its-been-a-minute"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;It's Been a Minute&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, here! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; HERE!!!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying &lt;a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;merch&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at &lt;a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;supportnormalgossip.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: &lt;a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;https://normalgossip.komi.io/&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/ozzy_llinas"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@ozzy_llinas&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;). Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA=="&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
      </description>

It is the season 6 FINALE and we've got the amazing Brittany Luse here for a story about A-list authors, ill-advised MFAs, and pets in places where they shouldn't be. 


        It is the season 6 FINALE and we've got the amazing Brittany Luse here for a story about A-list authors, ill-advised MFAs, and pets in places where they shouldn't be. Listen to Brittany's podcast, <a href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510317/its-been-a-minute">It's Been a Minute</a>, here! <a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124">PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME, HERE!!!</a><a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5">Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! </a>You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying <a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip">merch</a> or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at <a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip">supportnormalgossip.com</a>.Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a>Episode transcript here.Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/">@alexlaughs</a>) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/ozzy_llinas">@ozzy_llinas</a>). Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.Show art by Tara Jacoby.Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/">Radiotopia</a>.
      

MFAs and Other Mistakes with Brittany Luse

<description>
        &lt;p&gt;We are joined this week by our gayest Bachelorette, Gabby Windey, for a story about queer love, polyamory, and a pair of *very* special tie-dyed overalls. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Listen to Gabby's podcast, &lt;a href="https://art19.com/shows/long-winded"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Long Winded with Gabby Windey&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; HERE!!!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying &lt;a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;merch&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at &lt;a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;supportnormalgossip.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: &lt;a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;https://normalgossip.komi.io/&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OJWZifFt99QU5HJgdsGm2tMkvc7uBQj_5SEnoNqcYEM/edit?usp=sharing"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/ozzy_llinas"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@ozzy_llinas&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;). Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA=="&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
      </description>

We are joined this week by our gayest Bachelorette, Gabby Windey, for a story about queer love, polyamory, and a pair of *very* special tie-dyed overalls. 


        We are joined this week by our gayest Bachelorette, Gabby Windey, for a story about queer love, polyamory, and a pair of *very* special tie-dyed overalls. Listen to Gabby's podcast, <a href="https://art19.com/shows/long-winded">Long Winded with Gabby Windey</a>. <a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124">PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME, HERE!!!</a><a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5">Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! </a>You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying <a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip">merch</a> or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at <a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip">supportnormalgossip.com</a>.Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a>Episode transcript <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OJWZifFt99QU5HJgdsGm2tMkvc7uBQj_5SEnoNqcYEM/edit?usp=sharing">here</a>.Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/">@alexlaughs</a>) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/ozzy_llinas">@ozzy_llinas</a>). Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.Show art by Tara Jacoby.Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/">Radiotopia</a>.
      

The Wormhole of Sasha with Gabby Windey

<description>
        &lt;p&gt;Jeneé Desmond-Harris joins us for a tale of patriotism, fire drills, and accidentally getting too stoned at the wrong time. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Listen to &lt;a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/dear-prudence"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Dear Prudence&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://x.com/jdesmondharris"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;follow Jenée on Twitter here&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; HERE!!!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying &lt;a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;merch&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at &lt;a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;supportnormalgossip.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: &lt;a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;https://normalgossip.komi.io/&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NXQwc-q5LnKmFsOCEmODqupsQSmpJghK9vlZK2IDCbU/edit?usp=sharing"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/ozzy_llinas"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@ozzy_llinas&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;). Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA=="&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
      </description>


        Jeneé Desmond-Harris joins us for a tale of patriotism, fire drills, and accidentally getting too stoned at the wrong time. Listen to <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/dear-prudence">Dear Prudence</a> and <a href="https://x.com/jdesmondharris">follow Jenée on Twitter here</a>. <a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124">PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME, HERE!!!</a><a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5">Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! </a>You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying <a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip">merch</a> or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at <a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip">supportnormalgossip.com</a>.Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a>Episode transcript <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NXQwc-q5LnKmFsOCEmODqupsQSmpJghK9vlZK2IDCbU/edit?usp=sharing">here</a>.Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/">@alexlaughs</a>) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/ozzy_llinas">@ozzy_llinas</a>). Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.Show art by Tara Jacoby.Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/">Radiotopia</a>.
      

Romancing the Stoned with Jenée Desmond-Harris

<description>
        &lt;p&gt;Sonalee Rashatwar (they/he) joins us for an international story about families, inheritance, and haunting. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/thefatsextherapist"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Follow Sonalee on Instagram! &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; HERE!!!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying &lt;a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;merch&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at &lt;a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;supportnormalgossip.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: &lt;a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;https://normalgossip.komi.io/&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QTHldopmTL4d-EvO1DjIUWXNzBxiVdcSf43WWNEK9Po/edit?usp=sharing"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman. Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA=="&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
      </description>

Sonalee Rashatwar joins us for an international story about families, inheritance, and haunting. 


        Sonalee Rashatwar (they/he) joins us for an international story about families, inheritance, and haunting. <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thefatsextherapist">Follow Sonalee on Instagram! </a><a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124">PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME, HERE!!!</a><a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5">Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! </a>You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying <a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip">merch</a> or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at <a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip">supportnormalgossip.com</a>.Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a>Episode transcript <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QTHldopmTL4d-EvO1DjIUWXNzBxiVdcSf43WWNEK9Po/edit?usp=sharing">here</a>.Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/">@alexlaughs</a>) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman. Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.Show art by Tara Jacoby.Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/">Radiotopia</a>.
      

Haunted and Constipated with Sonalee Rashatwar

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        &lt;p&gt;Elise Hu joins us for a tale of startup bros and the hermit crabs that come between them. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Buy Elise's book, &lt;a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/flawless-lessons-in-looks-and-culture-from-the-k-beauty-capital-elise-hu/18848841?ean=9780593184189"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Flawless: Lessons in Looks and Culture from the K-Beauty Capital&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; HERE!!!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying &lt;a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;merch&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at &lt;a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;supportnormalgossip.com&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: &lt;a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;https://normalgossip.komi.io/&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1laiBUECuGk9Db-m_VSMmY6VR63pHxODf_4Ef2hnm10k/edit?usp=sharing"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman. Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA=="&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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        Elise Hu joins us for a tale of startup bros and the hermit crabs that come between them. Buy Elise's book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/flawless-lessons-in-looks-and-culture-from-the-k-beauty-capital-elise-hu/18848841?ean=9780593184189">Flawless: Lessons in Looks and Culture from the K-Beauty Capital</a>. <a href="https://shop.lostcitybookstore.com/product/9781000275124">PRE-ORDER KELSEY'S BOOK, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THIS FROM ME, HERE!!!</a><a href="https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5">Subscribe to our new newsletter for writing from Kelsey and Alex, blog recommendations, and bonus secrets! </a>You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying <a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip">merch</a> or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at <a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip">supportnormalgossip.com</a>.Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a>Episode transcript <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1laiBUECuGk9Db-m_VSMmY6VR63pHxODf_4Ef2hnm10k/edit?usp=sharing">here</a>.Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/">@alexlaughs</a>) and Ozzy Llinas Goodman. Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.Show art by Tara Jacoby.Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/">Radiotopia</a>.
      

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      <p>Normal Gossip delivers juicy, strange, funny, and utterly banal gossip about people you’ll never know and never meet. Host Kelsey McKinney discusses reader-submitted comedic gossip with guests, diving into the lives and decisions of complete strangers. The second-hand truth really is stranger than fiction. Produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin. Show art by Tara Jacoby. <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a></p>
    

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