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Simplify
Kollo Media, Caitlin Schiller
Deep Listening is a Scam with Julian Treasure
OCT 26, 202651 MIN
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Description
We live in an increasingly noisy world, yet most of us spend almost no time thinking about how sound shapes our thoughts, focus, and relationships. In this episode, world-renowned sound and listening expert Julian Treasure breaks down why most of us aren't actually listening - and what would happen if we did.
What usually happens is that people do what they think is "deep listening" - they nod and say "mmhmm" a bunch. But is that really listening? True deep listening is actually conscious listening. Gifting your entire attention to someone in a moment.
And the truth is, conscious listening is difficult! It requires energy and focus and time. But the upshot is massive: Truly feeling heard is such an amazing feeling. It leads to more connection and less suffering.
In this episode, Julian talks to Ben about actionable frameworks for changing your "listening position." They also unpack the difference in experience with video vs. audio content - and why audio quality in your remote meetings can make a big difference.
We spoke to Julian back in 2017 and that episode is definitely worth revisiting.
Julian's TED talk: How to speak so people will listen.
Check out Julian's app: Master Conscious Communication.
Resources
Guest's Recs: The DOSE Effect by TJ Power, Sounds Wild and Broken by David George Haskell, myNoise by Stéphane Pigeon
Ben's Rec: A Philosophy of Walking by Frédéric Gros
Caitlin's Rec: The Turnaround, Jesse Thorne's interview series with the world's great interviewers (Maximum Fun)
Sound generator Mynoise.net: This is a link to Caitlin's fav. Please remember to turn the whispers down- otherwise it's way too Halloween for everyday use.
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This episode of Simplify was produced by Caitlin Schiller, Ben Schuman-Stoler, and engineered by João Lucas in Berlin, Germany, for Kollo Media.
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