Derren Brown reflects on The Heist 20 years on

Derren Brown joins Hannah and Benedict to talk The Heist, Only Human and what happens when a trick goes wrong three nights in a row. They discuss turning ordinary people into the stars of his shows, why failure can make a performance better and how Hannibal Lecter, Sherlock Holmes and Willy Wonka helped shape his onstage persona. Plus, his love of About Time, an unexpected trip to Springfield and the childhood meeting Benedict has never forgotten. Derren, unfortunately, has. Send your thoughts, favourite Derren Brown moments and guest suggestions to [email protected]. Subscribe for two episodes a week and extra Traitors episodes recorded on the night! Watch and listen on Global Player, YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Talk of the Townsends is a Global Production. For advertising opportunities on this podcast, email: [email protected]