The Builder’s Journey

Beyond Talk Therapy: Ketamine, Psilocybin & Healing Guest: Ashley Denny, MA, LMFT, NMCFHost: Alex MintlingAletheia Healing Center | Aspen, Colorado What happens when traditional talk therapy isn't enough? In this short, unscripted conversation, Alex sits down with Ashley Denny, a licensed psychotherapist and natural medicine clinical facilitator, to explore the emerging world of psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. Ashley discusses how ketamine and psilocybin are being integrated into therapeutic settings, who might benefit from these approaches, and why preparation, professional oversight, safety, and integration are essential parts of the healing process. They also tackle the stigma surrounding psychedelics, the differences between recreational use and regulated therapeutic practice, and the importance of helping people make meaningful, lasting changes in their lives. No script. No rehearsed questions. Just an open conversation about alternative approaches to mental health. Episode timestamps 01:34 — Meet Ashley: An unscripted introduction 04:22 — Ashley's background in psychotherapy and natural medicine 05:28 — Colorado Proposition 122 and the emergence of regulated psilocybin therapy 06:28 — Ketamine-assisted psychotherapy: How it works 08:29 — The ketamine treatment protocol: Dosing, therapy, and integration 10:07 — Depression, chronic pain, and other therapeutic applications 13:09 — Psilocybin dosing: Microdosing versus larger therapeutic doses 13:56 — Inside a regulated psilocybin session: Preparation, dosing, and integration 17:01 — Do you need previous therapy experience? 19:38 — Preparing first-time patients for psychedelic therapy 21:37 — Breaking through the stigma surrounding psychedelic medicine 22:33 — Safety, ethics, regulation, and professional responsibility 23:39 — Ashley's personal journey from skepticism to psychedelic therapy 25:37 — The goal: Helping people heal, not keeping them in treatment forever 28:03 — How to connect with Ashley and learn more 30:03 — Looking ahead: A possible deeper conversation with Ashley and Ryan from Satori Learn more Aletheia Healing Center — Ashley Dennyhttps://www.aletheiahealingcenter.com/ Satori Integrative Medicine Clinic — Glenwood Springs, Coloradohttps://glenwoodspringsketamine.com/ [email protected] Mentioned in the episode as the connection that brought Alex and Ashley together.Radically Genuine - Episode #264: “She Refused to Sign a Social Justice Pledge to Become a Therapist. They Kicked Her Out.” HOST: [email protected] sourced from www.Suno.com This episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. Ketamine- and psilocybin-assisted therapies require appropriate professional evaluation, screening, and supervision.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Alex sits down with Ryan Nau, CRNA, owner/operator of Satori Integrative Medicine Clinic in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. Ryan shares his background in anesthesia and rural medicine and how he became an early adopter of CTK, an emerging treatment approach that Combines Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS)—a noninvasive therapy that uses magnetic pulses to stimulate specific areas of the brain—with Ketamine, an established treatment used in mental health care. His passion and commitment to helping others have created a safe place for people to explore science-based alternatives to more traditional treatment protocols. Ryan has the ability to custom-tailor treatment to the individual, which may include Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy (KAP), Ketamine alone, TMS alone, CTK, or a multitude of options. From his clinic in Glenwood Springs, Ryan is bringing these treatment options to patients throughout Colorado’s Western Slope and the Roaring Fork Valley. The conversation explores both the promise and limitations of these treatments—including side effects, contraindications, cost, stigma, addiction, patient safety, and what Ryan is seeing firsthand in clinical practice. Alex also shares his own experience as a long-term ketamine patient and discusses how his response to treatment has changed over time. TIMESTAMPS 00:23 — Meet Ryan Nau, CRNA01:09 — Ryan’s education, anesthesia background & rural medicine02:09 — Practicing medicine in rural Colorado and Meeker06:31 — Satori Clinic in Glenwood Springs06:46 — Transparency, conflicts of interest & Alex’s patient relationship with the clinic07:52 — What is CTK? Combining TMS + ketamine10:22 — Medical disclaimer—and Alex’s unforgettable colonoscopy/IV story15:49 — Informed consent and potential treatment risks16:13 — TMS injury reports and separating anecdotal reports from clinical evidence18:25 — Ryan discusses TMS side effects, safety and contraindications22:57 — Shifting the conversation to ketamine23:22 — Dissociation, “bad trips” and the ketamine experience25:54 — Ketamine side effects and blood-pressure concerns27:10 — The three barriers to ketamine: cost, stigma & fear28:10 — Who should—and shouldn't—receive ketamine?29:03 — Ketamine abuse, bladder problems and the difference between clinical and recreational use31:31 — The “P pill”: reducing the urge to urinate during an infusion33:28 — Why small distractions can derail a ketamine experience34:32 — Ryan’s West Virginia roots and path into anesthesia35:57 — Bringing ketamine treatment to the Roaring Fork Valley38:00 — What the early days of ketamine treatment looked like49:52 — The Achilles’ heel: treatment isn’t necessarily “one and done”49:58 — Do you need a physician referral for treatment?51:07 — Addiction, alcohol, opioids, ketamine and ibogaine1:04:08 — Ketamine and alcohol dependency: what do we actually know?1:05:54 — Why ketamine may work best as part of a bigger treatment strategy1:14:15 — What happens when a new patient contacts Satori Clinic?1:14:23 — Screening, contraindications, treatment options and the six-treatment protocol1:35:31 — Alex describes diminishing returns after years of ketamine treatment1:36:32 — Deciding to try combined TMS + ketamine1:38:16 — Alex’s first ketamine infusion—and the moment his mother noticed the difference1:39:26 — Exploring psychedelic medicine and the 2023 psychedelic conference1:40:10 — Ayahuasca, iboga and ibogaine experiences1:40:37 — Ibogaine, Colorado law and the developing psychedelic-treatment landscape [email protected] sourced by: www.Pond5.com Feel Invisible?Got a case of the Fuckits?Text or call 988 or if the Fecal is Hitting the Fan, call 911.

What happens when the experience that changes your life happens before you've even really had a chance to figure out who you are? Eagle County native Finn Mott was still a kid when headaches and other unexplained symptoms eventually led to a diagnosis of brain and spinal cancer. Chemotherapy and radiation followed, along with a childhood and high-school experience that looked very different from the one he expected. The day after his diagnosis, Finn's mother gave him a notebook. He started writing. What began as a private place to put things that were difficult to say out loud eventually became something much larger: poetry, performance, creative work and a way of helping other people navigate illness, trauma, grief and other life-altering experiences. In this conversation, Finn and Alex talk about the complicated idea of being "cured," losing and rebuilding identity after serious illness, expressive writing, creativity, PTSD, alternative approaches to healing and why simply putting an experience into words can sometimes change our relationship with it. Finn also shares how his writing grew into performances around the world and ultimately into work designed to help other people move through difficult experiences. It's a conversation about cancer—but even more, it's about what happens afterward. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — Introduction 06:03 — Meet Finn Mott 08:44 — Childhood cancer: Finn's diagnosis and treatment 10:26 — A notebook, writing and finding a way to process the experience 12:37 — Turning creativity into a way to help others 17:15 — Trauma writing, PTSD and alternative approaches to healing 20:35 — Final thoughts and where to find Finn VAIL DAILY: "Laughter as Medicine event coming to Vail" VAIL DAILY: "Eagle County native Finn Mott's new project, 'Glint', is an effort to help 'overcome calamity' TEDxYouth-Vail: "Chemo & Coffee" www.Glintworks.com INSTA: Finn.Mott Feel Invisible?Asking for help isn't a weakness—it makes you one of us.Got a case of the Fuckits?Text or call 988 or if the Fecal is Hitting the Fan, call 911. Strength in numbers. We need you. Host: [email protected]

There are trail names, earned on places like the Appalachian Trail. Then there are highway names—bestowed upon hitchhikers by the motorists who give them a ride. As the story goes, it was nearing dusk when I came across a young man making his way to Idaho to spend some quality time with his father. Grab your marshmallows, graham crackers, and a blanket. Pull up a camp chair. Because from this day forward, Hayden's highway name is Campfire. [email protected] Music Sourced from www.Pond5.com

When I set out to field-test my new Zoom H2 Essential Multi-Mic Handy Recorder (which I can't recommend highly enough), I assumed I was simply going to capture some random audio. Apparently, God had other plans. While riding public transportation from Glenwood Springs to Eagle, Colorado, a ray of sunshine entered my life by the name of Dan. I'll cut to the chase: the world is a better place because Dan is in it. We need more people like him. Was our meeting a sacred contract, divine destiny, or completely random? I'll likely never know. What I do know is that some people leave your life better than they found it. Dan is one of those people. Godspeed, my friend. We'll be in touch soon. If you or someone you know is struggling, call or text 988. National Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: 988 Music sourced from Pond5. If you'd like to be a guest on the show, Alex can be reached at [email protected].