S3E3: Resisting the Binary of "Us" and "Them"

Questions? Leave us a message. In this episode, recorded live in New Mexico, host Norma Wong explores how othering takes hold across the ideological spectrum, fueled by scarcity, survival, and the need to define who is “us” and who is not. Vivian Chang joins Norma to discuss what it would mean to let go of othering – not only in our organizations and movements, but in how we think about power, resources, and what it would take to create durable wins. They explore how the pull toward othering and the pull toward belonging coexist right now, and what it would take to tip toward community built on shared responsibility rather than shared opposition. In This Episode The hungry ghost- a Buddhist perspective on othering Why othering is a bad strategy and happens regardless of ideology Lessons on governance from a 100-year-old cheese consortium in Italy Why a 'big tent' alone won't get us to belonging Featured Guest Vivian Chang - Founder and Principal of the Democratizing Philanthropy Project. Vivian works with movements and frontline organizations to build sustainable, community-rooted sources of power and funding. Find us: thehorizonstory.com | Substack | YouTube | wherever you get your podcasts If this conversation resonated with you, share it with someone who’s ready to hear it. And if you’d like to help keep this work going, consider becoming a supporter of the show. Support the show