The Perfect Collapse

Got something to say to this podcast? Send a voicemail, and you might hear yourself on the next episode! Season 2, Episode 1: The Perfect Collapse: Lucy Letby In this six-episode mini-season, we explore the case of Ms Lucy Letby. In a single year, 17 babies on one neonatal unit in England died or suddenly collapsed. Ms Lucy Letby, a junior nurse, was on duty for every event. A jury convicted her of seven counts of murder and eight counts of attempted murder. She is serving 15 life sentences and has always maintained her innocence. This episode breaks down who Ms Lucy Letby was, the cramped and overstretched unit where she worked, and the cases of Babies A and B, the first on the indictment. We trace how one consultant pediatrician's growing concern became Operation Hummingbird, the criminal investigation that led to her arrest, and we examine the diagram at the center of the case and the statistical criticism it has drawn. Then, we step back in time to two nurses, Beverley Allitt and Jane Toppan, to ask where the profile of a female serial killer fits Ms Lucy Letby and where it does not. *************************************************************************** Everyone has an opinion. Few have read the record. The Perfect Collapse is a true crime podcast examining high-profile criminal cases through court filings, medical timelines, and legal records. This season examines the case of Ms Lucy Letby. Across six episodes, the show presents the evidence as it was presented at trial, the criticism of that evidence, and the questions that remain. DISCLAIMER The Perfect Collapse is a true crime psychology podcast for informational and analytical purposes only. The views expressed are those of the host and are based on publicly available documents and court records. Nothing in this podcast constitutes legal, medical, or psychological advice. Lucy Letby has been convicted and any other person discussed who has not been convicted is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. FAIR USE STATEMENT Audio clips and written materials referenced in this episode are used for commentary, criticism, and educational purposes under the Fair Use doctrine of the United States Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. Section 107. No copyright infringement is intended. CONTENT WARNING This podcast contains detailed discussion of child death, suicidal ideation, psychiatric illness, and related legal proceedings. Listener discretion is advised. MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out for support. National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline US & Canada: Call or text 988 National Alliance on Mental Illness Helpline US: Call 1-800-950-6264 National Suicide Prevention Hotline UK: Call 0800 587 0800 Lifeline Australia: Call 13 11 14 or Text 0477 13 11 14 SUPPORT THE SHOW If you enjoy The Perfect Collapse and would like to support the podcast, tips are always appreciated. Leave a tip here: https://opentipjar.com/theperfectcollapse Ten percent of all proceeds are donated to Hearts Alive Village, a Las Vegas based nonprofit dedicated to saving the lives of shelter animals. Learn more about Hearts Alive Village here: https://heartsalivevillage.org/

Got something to say to this podcast? Send a voicemail, and you might hear yourself on the next episode! Episode 18: The Perfect Collapse: After the Verdict — A Final Conversation with Psychiatrist Dr. K In the final episode of season one of The Perfect Collapse, I sit down with Psychiatrist Dr. K for the last conversation about the Lindsay Clancy case. We discuss the questions that extend far beyond the verdict: parasocial relationships, resentment of motherhood, Latarsha Sanders, Lindsay Clancy's case through a black woman’s perspective, as well as the potential for copycat murders. We also examine the black male holdout juror, and the larger questions the trial has raised about race, gender, and class. Thank you for listening to The Perfect Collapse throughout its first season! ********************* Everyone has an opinion. Few have read the record. The Perfect Collapse is a true crime podcast examining high-profile criminal cases through court filings, medical timelines, and legal records, starting with the case of Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy, killed by their mother, Lindsay Clancy. Mental illness is real, and this show takes it seriously. This podcast does not exist to humanize or excuse the actions of Lindsay Clancy. If you're here to listen to a defense for Lindsay's actions, this isn't the podcast for you. DISCLAIMER The Perfect Collapse is a true crime psychology podcast for informational and analytical purposes only. The views expressed are those of the host and are based on publicly available documents and court records. Nothing in this podcast constitutes legal, medical, or psychological advice. All persons discussed are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. FAIR USE STATEMENT Audio clips and written materials referenced in this episode are used for commentary, criticism, and educational purposes under the Fair Use doctrine of the United States Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. Section 107. No copyright infringement is intended. CONTENT WARNING This podcast contains detailed discussion of suicidal ideation, child death, filicide, psychiatric illness, and related legal proceedings. Listener discretion is advised. MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out for support. National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline US & Canada: Call or text 988 Postpartum Support International Helpline US: Call 1-800-944-4773 National Alliance on Mental Illness Helpline US: Call 1-800-950-6264 National Suicide Prevention Hotline UK: Call 0800 587 0800 Lifeline Australia: Call 13 11 14 or Text 0477 13 11 14 SUPPORT THE SHOW If you enjoy The Perfect Collapse and would like to support the podcast, tips are always appreciated. Leave a tip here: https://opentipjar.com/theperfectcollapse Ten percent of all proceeds are donated to Hearts Alive Village, a Las Vegas based nonprofit dedicated to saving the lives of shelter animals. Learn more about Hearts Alive Village here: https://heartsalivevillage.org/

Got something to say to this podcast? Send a voicemail, and you might hear yourself on the next episode! Episode 17: The Perfect Collapse: The Verdict The jury couldn't agree. Not on insanity, not on manslaughter, and not on murder in the first or second degree. After seven days and thirty-eight hours of deliberation, marked by accusations of a lying juror and a judge who refused to remove him, and an emergency appeal to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, Lindsay Clancy's trial ended in a mistrial, deadlocked 11 to 1. This episode breaks down what the Commonwealth can do next and what happens to Lindsay while that decision gets made. We also cover the arrest of a Clancy supporter who breached a restricted courthouse parking lot to photograph jurors. Then, we step back seventy years to the case of Constance Fisher, a Maine woman whose 1954 and 1966 filicides demonstrate what a break from reality looks like, with none of the media machinery that has surrounded Lindsay Clancy's trial. Plus, defense attorney Kevin Reddington's post-verdict comments about the one juror who wouldn't budge, and a preview of what's coming in next week's season finale with Dr. K. ********************* Everyone has an opinion. Few have read the record. The Perfect Collapse is a true crime podcast examining high-profile criminal cases through court filings, medical timelines, and legal records, starting with the case of Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy, killed by their mother, Lindsay Clancy. Mental illness is real, and this show takes it seriously. This podcast does not exist to humanize or excuse the actions of Lindsay Clancy. If you're here to listen to a defense for Lindsay's actions, this isn't the podcast for you. DISCLAIMER The Perfect Collapse is a true crime psychology podcast for informational and analytical purposes only. The views expressed are those of the host and are based on publicly available documents and court records. Nothing in this podcast constitutes legal, medical, or psychological advice. All persons discussed are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. FAIR USE STATEMENT Audio clips and written materials referenced in this episode are used for commentary, criticism, and educational purposes under the Fair Use doctrine of the United States Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. Section 107. No copyright infringement is intended. CONTENT WARNING This podcast contains detailed discussion of suicidal ideation, child death, filicide, psychiatric illness, and related legal proceedings. Listener discretion is advised. MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out for support. National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline US & Canada: Call or text 988 Postpartum Support International Helpline US: Call 1-800-944-4773 National Alliance on Mental Illness Helpline US: Call 1-800-950-6264 National Suicide Prevention Hotline UK: Call 0800 587 0800 Lifeline Australia: Call 13 11 14 or Text 0477 13 11 14 SUPPORT THE SHOW If you enjoy The Perfect Collapse and would like to support the podcast, tips are always appreciated. Leave a tip here: https://opentipjar.com/theperfectcollapse Ten percent of all proceeds are donated to Hearts Alive Village, a Las Vegas based nonprofit dedicated to saving the lives of shelter animals. Learn more about Hearts Alive Village here: https://heartsalivevillage.org/

Got something to say to this podcast? Send a voicemail, and you might hear yourself on the next episode! Episode 16: The Perfect Collapse: Closing Statements Closing statements concluded today in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Lindsay Clancy. We walk through the judge's instructions to the jury: the four possible verdicts, the legal standard for criminal responsibility, and the distinctions between not guilty by reason of insanity (NGRI), first-degree murder, second-degree murder, and manslaughter. We then play both closing arguments in full. ********************* Everyone has an opinion. Few have read the record. The Perfect Collapse is a true crime podcast examining high-profile criminal cases through court filings, medical timelines, and legal records, starting with the case of Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy, killed by their mother, Lindsay Clancy. Mental illness is real, and this show takes it seriously. This podcast does not exist to humanize or excuse the actions of Lindsay Clancy. If you're here to listen to a defense for Lindsay's actions, this isn't the podcast for you. DISCLAIMER The Perfect Collapse is a true crime psychology podcast for informational and analytical purposes only. The views expressed are those of the host and are based on publicly available documents and court records. Nothing in this podcast constitutes legal, medical, or psychological advice. All persons discussed are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. FAIR USE STATEMENT Audio clips and written materials referenced in this episode are used for commentary, criticism, and educational purposes under the Fair Use doctrine of the United States Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. Section 107. No copyright infringement is intended. CONTENT WARNING This podcast contains detailed discussion of suicidal ideation, child death, filicide, psychiatric illness, and related legal proceedings. Listener discretion is advised. MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out for support. National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline US & Canada: Call or text 988 Postpartum Support International Helpline US: Call 1-800-944-4773 National Alliance on Mental Illness Helpline US: Call 1-800-950-6264 National Suicide Prevention Hotline UK: Call 0800 587 0800 Lifeline Australia: Call 13 11 14 or Text 0477 13 11 14 SUPPORT THE SHOW If you enjoy The Perfect Collapse and would like to support the podcast, tips are always appreciated. Leave a tip here: https://opentipjar.com/theperfectcollapse Ten percent of all proceeds are donated to Hearts Alive Village, a Las Vegas based nonprofit dedicated to saving the lives of shelter animals. Learn more about Hearts Alive Village here: https://heartsalivevillage.org/

Got something to say to this podcast? Send a voicemail, and you might hear yourself on the next episode! Episode 15: The Perfect Collapse: Control or Collapse? Was Lindsay Clancy severely depressed, or was she psychotic? Two forensic psychiatrists examined her and came back with opposite conclusions. We break down the testimony of Dr. Avram Mack and Dr. Phillip Resnick, and what the postpartum psychosis question means for a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict. ********************* Everyone has an opinion. Few have read the record. The Perfect Collapse is a true crime podcast examining high-profile criminal cases through court filings, medical timelines, and legal records, starting with the case of Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy, killed by their mother, Lindsay Clancy. Mental illness is real, and this show takes it seriously. This podcast does not exist to humanize or excuse the actions of Lindsay Clancy. If you're here to listen to a defense for Lindsay's actions, this isn't the podcast for you. DISCLAIMER The Perfect Collapse is a true crime psychology podcast for informational and analytical purposes only. The views expressed are those of the host and are based on publicly available documents and court records. Nothing in this podcast constitutes legal, medical, or psychological advice. All persons discussed are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. FAIR USE STATEMENT Audio clips and written materials referenced in this episode are used for commentary, criticism, and educational purposes under the Fair Use doctrine of the United States Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. Section 107. No copyright infringement is intended. CONTENT WARNING This podcast contains detailed discussion of suicidal ideation, child death, filicide, psychiatric illness, and related legal proceedings. Listener discretion is advised. MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out for support. National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline US & Canada: Call or text 988 Postpartum Support International Helpline US: Call 1-800-944-4773 National Alliance on Mental Illness Helpline US: Call 1-800-950-6264 National Suicide Prevention Hotline UK: Call 0800 587 0800 Lifeline Australia: Call 13 11 14 or Text 0477 13 11 14 SUPPORT THE SHOW If you enjoy The Perfect Collapse and would like to support the podcast, tips are always appreciated. Leave a tip here: https://opentipjar.com/theperfectcollapse Ten percent of all proceeds are donated to Hearts Alive Village, a Las Vegas based nonprofit dedicated to saving the lives of shelter animals. Learn more about Hearts Alive Village here: https://heartsalivevillage.org/