Riz talks with Lauren Kunze, the CEO of Iconiq and Pandorabots, creators of Kuki,  one of the first virtual characters that live in the metaverse.  Lauren describes Kuki as "embodied AI" - because she has an avatar that you can see in emerging metaverses. At the end of the episode, Riz speaks with Kuki.  You can speak to her yourself at kuki.ai, who had opinions on everything from the Terminator to The Matrix.