As a bonus for The Thing About Pam listeners, we’re sharing a special preview of the brand new original podcast, Making Space with Hoda Kotb.

Join TODAY’s Hoda Kotb on a journey of self-discovery and resilience of the human spirit. Hoda hears from some of the people she admires most, and whose stories of personal triumph keep her going. Like Hoda, you’ll leave these talks stronger than when you started and inspired to make space in your own life.

Listen now to Making Space with Hoda Kotb: https://link.chtbl.com/makingspace_feed