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The TMG Fireside Chat Podcast
John Mackey
Inside Consolidation: Why FLS M&A Keeps Accelerating | Caleb Armbrust, Ryan Fire Protection
SEP 24, 202642 MIN
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Description
Consolidation is the environment every fire and life safety owner now operates in. In this episode, John Mackey sits down with Caleb Armbrust, M&A Director at Ryan Fire Protection and former Director of Membership at the NFSA, for a candid, buy-side read on where the consolidation wave stands and where it's headed. It's a practical conversation for owners thinking about growth, value, and their options, whether or not they ever plan to sell.
In this episode
Where we stand: how we got here and what inning we're in
Who's buying, and why fire protection specifically
The regeneration dynamic: why the base keeps refilling
What buyers actually pay for
Service vs. install, and how the multiple is set
Labor: why people, not orders, are the ceiling
Building an enduringly great company vs. building to sell
What owners misunderstand about a sale
Key takeaways
Consolidation is the environment, and it has regenerated its own supply of targets for two decades.
Recurring revenue, labor, systems, and integration drive the multiple. Revenue alone is table stakes.
People are the ceiling. The workforce pipeline is the industry's hardest problem.
The highest price isn't always the best deal. Fit and structure matter.
Readiness is built over years, and it gives you options whether or not you sell.
About the guest
Caleb Armbrust is M&A Director at Ryan Fire Protection, an active fire protection consolidator based in Noblesville, Indiana. He previously served as Director of Membership at the National Fire Sprinkler Association (NFSA).
About the show
John Mackey is founder of The Mackey Group, a strategic growth advisory firm serving fire and life safety contractors, their owners, and the investors backing them. Build to Grow Mindset is TMG's monthly podcast on building lasting value in FLS.
Links
Take the FLS Seller Readiness Self-Assessment: https://mackeygroupllc.com/build-to-grow-scorecard
Work with The Mackey Group: https://mackeygroupllc.com/

