Tourpreneur Tour Business Podcast

Operators keep asking Tourpreneur co-founder Pete Syme to automate their customer communication, and he tells them to stop. Pete Syme and Mitch Bach open a new monthly series, Pete & Mitch Are Angry, with AI, whose noise has grown too loud for a small operator to sort through without hours to spare. Pete's reason for saying stop is that talking to guests is an operator's biggest chance to learn what they want, and that knowledge is where the upsell, the cross-sell, and the second and third booking come from. An operator who hands that seat to a chatbot learns none of it. Supplier work, invoicing, and pricing are where the automation belongs. Requests for a workforce of AI agents get a similar reply: agents built on a broken business break it faster. AI amplifies whatever business it is pointed at. A solo operator with 12 tours wanted them all automated, and Mitch's advice was to cut the list to three, aim each at one specific customer, and skip the tech needed to serve 12 tours in 12 locations with different vendors and transport. Pete reaches the same place from the other direction: AI agents on top of broken processes speed up the breakage, so the foundations get fixed first. With sound foundations, the question that matters is what AI cannot do for the business. The answer differs by operator because geography, market, and economics differ, and no consultant can supply it. Automate the repetitive work around that answer, leave the answer itself untouched, and start every AI decision there.

Maria Petrenko runs a private guiding business on Santorini, one of the most visited islands in the world. Cruise-ship crowds and a mounting overtourism backlash have turned the destination's own reputation into a liability for anyone selling tours there. Petrenko pitches that same reputation to prospective guests as the reason to book her instead of a mass tour, leading with it rather than avoiding the subject or apologizing for it. She builds every trip around one early conversation instead of a fixed list of stops. She asks a guest open-ended questions until she hears what they actually want to feel: a family reconnecting after a hard year, a stranger rediscovering a late brother's honeymoon. She designs the day around that feeling rather than the postcard shot of the blue domes that floods the island's most photographed corners. Petrenko backs the pitch with something operational. Living on Santorini means she catches problems, a blocked viewpoint, a cable-car delay, a scheduling collision with another guide's group, before they cost a guest their day, in a way a company managing tours from Athens cannot match. She argues that small, local operators absorb this risk constantly, and that they deserve more of the reward for it. Credit for a smooth trip too often goes to distant companies with less on-the-ground involvement. Her case is that local reliability is a real differentiator, one operators should be recognized and rewarded for.

Philippe Hertzberg has never bought an advertisement aimed at a traveler. Hertzberg is the CEO of Secret Journeys, a company that designs private access experiences inside landmarks like Notre Dame and the Arc de Triomphe. Most tour businesses expand their bookable services to capture more revenue per client. Hertzberg does the opposite: Secret Journeys turns away hotel, ground transport, and flight bookings, even when clients ask for them, to stay a single, uncategorizable thing. Most tour businesses also try to reach travelers directly. Hertzberg doesn't advertise to travelers at all. He sells exclusively through travel advisors, and a single pitch to Virtuoso's CEO in 2022 put him in front of that network's 20,000 advisors. Three other decisions run the same direction. Hertzberg turns down press coverage that would put Secret Journeys in front of the traveling public, free exposure most businesses would take, because he wants the advisor, not his own company, to stay the one the client trusts. He casts storytellers the way Disney casts characters, and the trait he's actually hiring for is curiosity about the guest, not guiding credentials or destination expertise. Landmark access gets negotiated the same patient way: opening the Arc de Triomphe at night took two years of solving the administrator's actual objections one at a time, including agreeing to cover security staff's cab fare home. The episode also covers how a storyteller turned a five-year-old's obsession with bells into a private treasure hunt through the towers of Notre Dame, and which cities, Amsterdam, Seoul, and Prague among them, Hertzberg is looking to expand into next. Resources: Secret Journeys: secretjourneys.travel Philippe Hertzberg on LinkedIn

Kevin Durkee owns Culinary Adventure Co., which runs six food tours in Toronto. Eighty percent of his guests are local, 99.9 percent book direct, and in fifteen years he has never run an ad, fought for SEO, or opened a Google Analytics account. The industry mantra is that locals do not take tours and that the OTAs own the demand, so Mitch spends much of the hour asking how the business actually works. The short answer is that Kevin sells celebration rather than sightseeing: gift cards, Christmas presents, and a birthday program that gives a guest a free seat when three friends book alongside them. Kevin also refuses to discount in either direction. He pays full price at every one of his forty vendor stops and quotes corporate groups higher when they ask for a break, with a setup fee and built-in gratuity, since the food costs the same in front of four people or forty. Private corporate work now runs thirty to thirty-five percent of annual revenue. He explains the retreat in Madrid that finally pushed his best tour from $119 to $199 with less food on it, and it has since sold better than in any prior year. Operators leave with a way to build a local repeat audience, a position to hold when a buyer pushes on price, and the three years and five cities Kevin spent learning what to cut. Resources: culinaryadventureco.com thiscityisdelicious.com Instagram: @culinaryadvco

Airbnb spent ten years swearing it would never be another OTA. It just started buying its experiences from Viator. For twenty years the industry has argued about whether anybody can build a real marketplace for experiences. Mitch Bach and Pete Syme think the Airbnb deal settles it. The companies with the deepest pockets have looked at the category, done the arithmetic, and decided to rent someone else's supply rather than build their own. The ones still committed to building are running on economics that get worse every year, even while the market underneath them grows. None of that stays inside the marketplaces. A business under margin pressure has only so many places to find money, and the commission operators pay is the one that moves the dial. Pete's answer for operators is not a new tactic, and he says so plainly. What has changed is the price of ignoring the old ones. Discovery sits underneath every other question an operator has, and more money flowing into the platforms meant to solve it has made it harder, not easier. His argument is that operators keep chasing discovery where it costs the most to win while walking past the customers already sitting in their own city, the corporates and schools and universities that book fifteen times instead of once. Mitch pushes on what that leaves for anyone running a general tour for a general audience. They land in the same place: the only bagel tour in New York gets found, and the two hundredth walking tour in Madrid does not. Resources: Peter Syme on LinkedIn, where he posts his breakdowns of the Viator and GetYourGuide numbers Tourpreneur business retreats in Porto Tourpreneur CONNECT