What Makes NARM® Training Different? Where Clinical Skills Meet Personal Transformation with Stefanie Klein and Lisa Gillispie

CTTC faculty Stefanie Klein and Lisa Gillispie explore what it really takes to embody what you learn, trust yourself in the therapy room, and grow through relational learning and professional community. How do you teach a trauma-informed model that emphasizes presence, authenticity, and curiosity? By creating a learning experience that invites therapists to embody these very qualities through their own journey of self-discovery, personal growth, and professional development. On this episode of Transforming Trauma, host Emily Ruth welcomes Stefanie Klein, LCSW, and Lisa Gillispie, LPCC-S, faculty members of the Complex Trauma Training Center (CTTC). They share observations from their journeys as students of the NeuroAffective Relational Model® (NARM®) to now being trainers. Stefanie and Lisa also provide broader insights into the depth of knowledge and support available through CTTC's professional development programs. Our conversation focuses less on the practicalities of teaching NARM and more on the life-changing experience of embodying it. In this conversation: Beyond technique: Why understanding NARM® intellectually is different from embodying it with clients. Authenticity over perfection: How therapists can recognize self-doubt, performance pressure, and familiar strategies while learning. Mentorship and community: How collaboration, experiential training, and professional support deepen clinical development. Learning in relationship: Why curiosity, vulnerability, and not having every answer can be valuable parts of professional growth. The ripple effect: How trauma-informed training can influence therapists' clinical work, personal relationships, and wider communities. Transforming Trauma is deeply grateful for the mentorship, care, and dedication Stefanie and Lisa bring to the CTTC learning community, and for the important role they play in supporting the next generation of NARM-trained therapists. 🎧 Subscribe to Transforming Trauma for conversations about complex trauma, relational healing, and professional development. 🌱 Interested in the NARM® Therapist Training? Explore therapist training programs, continuing professional development, and the professional community at the Complex Trauma Training Center. https://complextraumatrainingcenter.com To read the full show notes and discover more resources, visit https://complextraumatrainingcenter.com/transformingtrauma SPACE: SPACE is an Inner Development Program of Support and Self-Discovery for Therapists on the Personal, Interpersonal, and Transpersonal Levels offered by the Complex Trauma Training Center. This experiential learning program offers an immersive group experience designed to cultivate space for self-care, community support, and deepening vitality in our professional role as therapists. Learn more about how to join. *** The Complex Trauma Training Center: https://complextraumatrainingcenter.com View upcoming trainings: https://complextraumatrainingcenter.com/schedule/ Join us for a free Introduction to NARM®: https://bit.ly/narmfreeintro *** The Complex Trauma Training Center (CTTC) is a professional organization providing clinical training, education, consultation, and mentorship for psychotherapists and mental health professionals working with individuals and communities impacted by Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) and Complex Trauma (C-PTSD). CTTC provides NARM® Therapist and NARM® Master Therapist Training programs, as well as ongoing monthly groups in support of those learning NARM. CTTC offers a depth-oriented professional community for those seeking a supportive network of therapists focused on three levels of shared human experience: personal, interpersonal & transpersonal. The Transforming Trauma podcast embodies the spirit of CTTC – best described by its three keywords: depth, connection, and heart - and offers guidance to those interested in effective, transformational trauma-informed care. We want to connect with you! Facebook @complextraumatrainingcenter Instagram @cttc_training LinkedIn YouTube