#42: A Trial Lawyer’s Rules for Hard Conversations | Jefferson Fisher

Michael sits down with trial lawyer Jefferson Fisher, author of The Next Conversation, on why hard conversations are some of the most uncomfortable things we do and how to handle them with strength. They discuss: 00:00 Preview 01:41 The hardest conversation he's ever had 05:30 What to do before having a hard conversation 14:57 Don't win the argument, understand it 17:02 Let your breath be the first word 24:16 Stop over-apologizing 26:31 Five second rule of silence 31:02 Why brevity wins: say it in three sentences 44:50 Boundaries: lead with the no 51:24 When someone's grieving, just do the thing 54:05 Rapid fire: no is a complete sentence Read Do Hard Things: https://www.twopct.com/p/do-hard-things Two Percent is hosted by Michael Easter. Today's episode was produced by Joey Fischground, Robbie Hiser, Dana Brawer and Julia Nutter. From Kaleidoscope, our executive producers are Mangesh Hattikudur and Kate Osborn and Julia Nutter. From iHeart, our executive producers are Katrina Norvell and Nikki Ettore. Our Head of Video is Maria Paz Mendez Hodes. Our editor is Will Mayo. Our theme music is by the Heater Manager. Visit Two Percent, the #1 health and wellness Substack newsletter: https://www.twopct.com Follow Michael: https://twitter.com/Michael_Easter https://instagram.com/michael_easter/ https://linkedin.com/in/michael-easter-b208848/ https://www.facebook.com/twopct https://tiktok.com/@michael_easter6