Christian music artist Chris McClarney joins Sadie's brother, John Luke Robertson, to share his advice on not taking yourself too seriously, failure and redemption, and how to be OK with taking risks and making mistakes. They also discuss having zero shame about listening to fun pop music, the superpower of an Enneagram 7, the secret to faking an expensive-looking watch, Chris' songwriting process, and how he plans to use unreleased "orphan songs" to help actual orphans. This conversation is full of laughs and great advice!

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