Beyond Automation: Joshua Evarts on Relational Leadership and Human Connection

Anika sat down with Joshua Evarts to explore how the rapid acceleration of artificial intelligence and digital communication impacts the fundamental engine of every business: human relationships. Drawing from a diverse career leading national security software companies, managing historic building restorations, running a community cigar lounge, and parenting a son working at OpenAI, Joshua offered practical insights into balancing technological automation with authentic connection, intentional culture building, and genuine curiosity. In This Episode Transitioning from early software programming on a Commodore 64 to leading national security tech companies The accidental pivot from accounting to building Easy Street Draw for automobile accident and homicide investigations Deploying to Iraq and working with New Scotland Yard on post-blast investigations Surviving stage 3 pancreatic lymphoma in 2020 and how facing mortality reshaped his perspective on presence Opening a historic cigar lounge and discovering that authentic generosity is contagious The reality of parenting an OpenAI employee and navigating generative AI at the dinner table Why genuine relationships and curiosity remain the ultimate competitive advantages in an automated world The philosophy behind his book series, starting with If Jesus Smoked Cigars: Eight Lessons in Relational Leadership Timestamps 00:03 Introduction: Balancing AI integration with thoughtful, ethical, and strategic human guidance 02:54 Early programming roots on a Commodore 64 and leaving accounting for tech entrepreneurship 07:15 The three sentinel shifts: accelerating communication speed, COVID-19 distancing, and the advent of AI 09:12 Battling stage 3 pancreatic lymphoma during 2020 and choosing gratitude as a daily mindset 10:14 Choosing presence over devices: leaving phones behind and prioritizing real human interaction 14:38 Writing If Jesus Smoked Cigars: using cheeky titles and obscure historical stories to teach relational leadership 26:45 Navigating generative AI slop, social media echo chambers, and the obsession with capturing digital data 29:21 Advice for the next generation: pursuing math, logic, and curiosity rather than fearing replacement 41:47 Recognizing that relationships are hard work and require intentional daily effort Key Insights & Takeaways Insight 1: Relationships Cannot Be Outsourced to AI While generative AI automates routine tasks and text generation, it cannot replace genuine human connection. In an increasingly automated business world, the ability to build trust, listen deeply, and maintain authentic relationships serves as an irreplaceable discriminator. Insight 2: Reckless Generosity Builds Thriving Communities Treating business relationships purely as transactions limits growth. True generosity is contagious; when business owners genuinely support their peers and foster inclusive environments, the entire community benefits and rises together. Insight 3: Focus on Culture and Process Over Outcomes Founders and leaders cannot control external market conditions or outcomes—they can only control their attitude and actions. Prioritizing a healthy, people-first culture and mastering daily processes naturally attracts top talent and loyal customers. Insight 4: Curiosity Outweighs Perfection Entering unfamiliar rooms and asking genuine questions creates unexpected opportunities. Being infinitely curious and willing to admit what you do not understand allows professionals to successfully navigate major career pivots across entirely different industries. Insight 5: Avoid Confusing Market Velocity with Productivity The rapid speed of technological advancement often tricks organizations into measuring activity rather than true business impact. Leaders must evaluate whether new tools genuinely serve their mission or create unnecessary friction for human users. Resources & Links Mentioned IfJesus.com (Joshua's official website for workshops, book info, and direct contact) If Jesus Smoked Cigars: Eight Lessons in Relational Leadership by Joshua Evarts About Joshua Evarts Joshua Evarts is an author, entrepreneur and former technology executive with more than 30 years of experience building businesses in technology. He is the author of If Jesus Smokes Cigars: Eight Lessons in Relational Leadership, a book exploring how leaders and professionals can build stronger relationships in a tech-saturated world. After decades in tech, Joshua opened a cigar lounge built around conversation, storytelling and authentic connection, which became a real-world expression of his belief that innovation matters, but people still come first. As the father of a son who works at OpenAI, Joshua brings both personal and professional perspective to conversations about AI, the future of work and the human skills that technology cannot replace. Connect with Joshua Website: https://ifjesus.com/ YBA was named the top PR podcast in the US by FeedSpot! Feedspot is an RSS Reader that lets you follow your favorite podcasts alongside blogs and news in one place. Like the show? 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