YOU MAY LIKE: The Killer Clown’s Last Lawyer with hosts Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky

Obsessors, this one’s a treat (not a trick). For Halloween, we’re sharing an episode from Julie’s other show, The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, co-hosted with Dominick Domasky. If you love a deep dive into what makes people tick, especially the darkest corners of the human mind, you’re going to be obsessed with this conversation. Julie and Dom sit down with Karen Conti, veteran Chicago trial attorney, host of The Karen Conti Show on WGN Radio 720, and award-winning author of Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy: Defending America’s Most Evil Serial Killer on Death Row. Karen served on the final death row defense team for John Wayne Gacy, the “Killer Clown” who murdered 33 young men and boys and buried most of them beneath his Chicago-area home. She takes us inside the lockup where she first met him, explains how a sociopath and narcissist can mask his sickness so convincingly, and shares why she fought his execution even knowing he was guilty. Then she reveals how the death threats that followed turned into a 30-year media career on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, and WGN. Plus, a spooky-season round of Jules’s Rules: the most infamous serial killers of all time, from Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy to Ed Kemper, Ed Gein, the Green River Killer, and Karen’s all-time pick, Jack the Ripper. Yes, Julie confesses she couldn’t finish the Gacy or Ed Gein series on Netflix. Why Obsessors Will Love This Episode What John Wayne Gacy was really like face to face The psychology of masking: how the most dangerous people can seem ordinary, even likable Why someone would choose to defend “the boogeyman” of Chicago How Karen turned the darkest chapter of her career into a spotlight Why our fascination with true crime never fades, from Jack the Ripper to today’s Netflix hits Karen’s media tips on being camera ready, finding your lane, and why likability is everything ️ Quotes From the Episode “Stretch your abilities, have confidence, and then work hard to prove that you can do what you say you’re going to do.” — Karen Conti “My father always told me, ‘I can’t make people laugh unless they like me.’” — Karen Conti Frequently Asked Questions Who is Karen Conti? A Chicago trial attorney, legal analyst, host of The Karen Conti Show on WGN Radio 720, and author of Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy. Did Karen Conti defend John Wayne Gacy? Yes. She was part of his final death row appeals team in the early 1990s. Her goal was never to free him, but to stop the execution because she opposes the death penalty. What is The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast? A top-ranked business news podcast hosted by Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky, where entrepreneurship, media strategy, and pop culture collide. Why is this episode on the Get Obsessed feed? Because Obsessors love a deep look at human behavior, true crime, and the stories behind the headlines, and this Halloween conversation delivers all three. Connect With Karen Conti Website: www.karenconti.com Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy on Amazon: https://a.co/d/egZPLpV Audiobook (narrated by Karen): Audible The Karen Conti Show, WGN Radio 720: wgnradio.com/karen-conti 𝕏 X/Twitter: @Kcontilaw ️ Follow The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast Podcast home: www.cre8tiveconpod.com Julie Lokun, JD: www.julielokunconsulting.com | [email protected] Dominick Domasky: www.motivationchamps.com | [email protected] ️ Join Us Live Cre8tive Con OTR Orlando: www.cre8tiveconotr.com Cre8tive Con Chicago: www.cre8tivecon.com Stay Obsessed Watch Get Obsessed on YouTube: @obsessedpodcast If this episode gave you chills, follow The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast wherever you listen, then come back here for more Get Obsessed with Julie and Mika. Stay obsessed, Obsessors, and happy Halloween! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.