When They Were Making It

Veronica Lake was one of the most unforgettable faces of 1940s Hollywood: blonde, beautiful, elusive, with a curtain of hair falling across one eye. Paramount turned that image into a sensation. But behind the "Peek-a-Boo Girl" was Constance Ockelman — a young actress whose life was far more complicated than either the glamour or the later downfall headlines allowed. From Brooklyn, Saranac Lake, Miami, and, finally, Beverly Hills, Lake arrived in Hollywood as a teenager and drifted through a handful of small parts before Paramount saw something different in her. For I Wanted Wings, the studio gave Constance Keane a new name, a new look, and a nightclub role that made audiences take notice. Veronica Lake was born. This episode follows Lake through her remarkable early rise: Sullivan's Travels with Preston Sturges and Joel McCrea; the creation of the Peek-a-Boo Girl phenomenon; and the dark, charged crime pictures that paired her with Alan Ladd, including This Gun for Hire, The Glass Key, and The Blue Dahlia. It explores how Lake became one of the defining women of the emerging film-noir cycle — cool, funny, watchful, and never quite as easy to read as Paramount's publicity suggested. It also looks behind the image: a difficult first marriage, the loss of her infant son, her growing reputation as a difficult star, wartime stardom, and the series of professional and personal blows that slowly changed Lake's place at Paramount. By the end of the 1940s, the studio that had built her into a star had chosen not to renew her contract. What followed was not one simple collapse, however much the newspapers later preferred that version. Lake kept working — in live television, regional theatre, touring productions, and low-budget films — while navigating financial hardship, troubled marriages, alcoholism, and long periods of uncertainty. Then, in 1962, an Associated Press reporter recognized Veronica Lake working as a cocktail waitress at Manhattan's Martha Washington Hotel. The resulting headlines turned her into a national fallen-star spectacle. Lake herself saw it differently. This is the story of the actress behind one of Hollywood's most enduring images: the woman Paramount made famous, the performer audiences too often underestimated, and the person who kept finding a way forward long after the cameras had moved on. — When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat. Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt. For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com. Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life. New episodes of When They Were Making It drop every Tuesday. Follow now wherever you get your podcasts. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This is Part 2 of our two-part series on Charlie Chaplin. At the height of his silent-film power, Charlie Chaplin was one of the most famous and successful people in the world. He owned his studio, controlled his work, and had transformed the Tramp into a global icon. But the life behind the screen was becoming impossible to keep private. Part 2 of our Charlie Chaplin series follows Chaplin through the collapse of his marriage to Lita Grey, the devastating divorce scandal that threatened his fortune, studio and reputation, and the making of The Circus. It follows his refusal to let the Tramp speak in an industry transformed by sound — and the extraordinary successes of City Lights and Modern Times. Then comes The Great Dictator: Chaplin's first full talking picture, his furious satire of Adolf Hitler, and the film that pushed him into an increasingly public political life. As the war ends and the Cold War begins, Chaplin finds himself under growing scrutiny for his support of the Soviet Union, his refusal to become an American citizen, and the scandals that have long followed him. The episode traces the Joan Barry case, Monsieur Verdoux, the campaign to drive Chaplin from America, and his departure for Europe in 1952 — a journey that became an exile. It also follows his final films, Hollywood's eventual welcome home, and the long reassessment of an artist whose work helped define cinema itself. This is the story of Chaplin's long, complicated final act: a filmmaker celebrated as a genius, condemned as an outsider, and forced to reckon with the distance between the beloved Tramp and the powerful man who created him. — When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat. Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt. For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com. Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life. New episodes of When They Were Making It drop every Tuesday. Follow now wherever you get your podcasts. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This is Part 1 of our two-part series on Charlie Chaplin. Charlie Chaplin, one of the greatest icons of silent cinema and film comedy, built his legend on making the world laugh. But behind his beloved image was a private life that was increasingly troubling — and, throughout his life, increasingly difficult to contain. Part 1 of our two-part series follows Chaplin from a childhood in poverty and the workhouse, through the London music halls and Fred Karno's comedy company — where he learned the precision and physical storytelling that would transform silent film — to Hollywood, where he arrived at twenty-four as an unknown English comic and, within little more than a decade, would become the king of silent comedy. It traces his extraordinary rise in Hollywood: Keystone and the birth of the Tramp; Mabel Normand, Edna Purviance and The Tramp; the phenomenon of 'Chaplinitis'; and the creative freedom that came with unprecedented contracts at Mutual and First National. Along the way came Easy Street, The Immigrant, Shoulder Arms and The Kid — films that made screen comedy more humane, ambitious and emotionally expansive than it had ever been before. The episode also follows the relationships and losses beginning to complicate that success: his marriage to sixteen-year-old Mildred Harris, the death of their infant son, and his relationship with Lita Grey as he made his largest and most ambitious film yet, The Gold Rush. This is the story of how a boy from the slums of Victorian London became the most famous comedian in the world — and how, at the very height of his early power, his private life threatened to overwhelm everything he had built. Part 2 of our Charlie Chaplin series — covering the scandal surrounding his marriage to Lita Grey, City Lights, Modern Times, The Great Dictator, political controversy, exile from America and his final years — releases next Tuesday, September 8. — When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat. Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt. For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com. Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life. New episodes of When They Were Making It drop every Tuesday. Follow now wherever you get your podcasts. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Shirley Temple was the most famous child star Hollywood had ever seen — a six-year-old who became America's biggest box-office attraction, helped carry Twentieth Century-Fox through the Great Depression, and grew up inside a studio system built around keeping her little for as long as possible. From the bizarre Baby Burlesks shorts to Little Miss Marker, Bright Eyes, and "On the Good Ship Lollipop," Shirley became a national phenomenon almost overnight. Before she was seven, her face was everywhere, merchandise bore her name, and entire films were being designed around the curls, dimples, songs, and optimism audiences loved. This episode follows Shirley through the height of her childhood fame: her Academy Juvenile Award, groundbreaking dances with Bill "Bojangles" Robinson in The Little Colonel, four years as America's number-one box-office star, and films including Curly Top, Wee Willie Winkie, Heidi, and The Little Princess. It also looks behind the image — at the exhausting schedules, the Twentieth Century-Fox publicity machine, the Graham Greene libel case, and the uncomfortable ways Hollywood sometimes packaged her childhood innocence. But Shirley Temple was growing up. A proposed role as Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz went to Judy Garland, The Blue Bird flopped, and at twelve Shirley left Fox. What followed was a difficult reinvention through MGM, teenage roles, marriage to John Agar, motherhood, divorce, and the discovery that the millions she had earned as a child had left her with remarkably little money. But Shirley Temple's story didn't end with Hollywood. After marrying Charles Black, Shirley Temple Black entered Republican politics and public service. She ran for Congress with Ronald Reagan's support, served under Richard Nixon at the United Nations, became U.S. ambassador to Ghana under Gerald Ford, and was later appointed ambassador to Czechoslovakia by George H. W. Bush — serving there during the Velvet Revolution and the collapse of communist rule. This is the story of Hollywood's most famous child star — and the remarkable woman she became when she inevitably grew up. — When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat. Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt. For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com. Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life. New episodes of When They Were Making It drop every Tuesday. Follow now wherever you get your podcasts. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

By 1955, Dorothy Dandridge had done what Hollywood once seemed determined to make impossible — become a genuine leading lady, carry a major studio picture, and earn a Best Actress nomination at the Academy Awards. But after Carmen Jones, the breakthrough Hollywood celebrated would become a career it had no idea how to sustain. Part 2 of our two-part series on Dorothy Dandridge begins on Oscar night in 1955, with Dandridge seated alongside Grace Kelly, Judy Garland, Audrey Hepburn, and Jane Wyman as the first Black woman ever nominated for Best Actress. A new contract with Twentieth Century-Fox seemed to promise that Carmen Jones was only the beginning. Instead, leading roles disappeared, major projects stalled, and Dandridge found herself caught inside an industry willing to celebrate a Black star but still deeply uncomfortable building films around one. The episode follows Dandridge through the years that followed — from becoming the first Black performer to headline the Waldorf-Astoria's Empire Room and her increasingly complicated relationship with director Otto Preminger, to Island in the Sun, the controversial interracial romance that provoked bans, protests, and Ku Klux Klan pickets while still becoming one of the year's biggest hits. It traces her battle with scandal magazine Confidential, her testimony in one of Hollywood's most sensational trials, and her search for better roles outside the studio system in films including Tamango and The Decks Ran Red. And then came Porgy and Bess — the enormous Samuel Goldwyn production that reunited Dandridge with Preminger, placed her opposite Sidney Poitier, and finally offered another major starring role four years after her Oscar nomination. But neither the film nor the years that followed could restore the career Hollywood had once seemed ready to give her. Part 2 also follows Dandridge's marriage to Jack Denison, the financial losses that helped push her into bankruptcy, the devastating decision to place her daughter Lynn in state care, and her attempts to rebuild a career and a life in the years before her death at just forty-two. And it follows the legacy that grew after she was gone — from her gradual rediscovery to Halle Berry's long fight to bring her story to the screen, and the night in 2002 when Berry became the first Black woman to win the Best Actress Oscar Dandridge had been the first to reach nearly half a century earlier. This is the story of what happened after the breakthrough — when Dorothy Dandridge discovered that becoming Hollywood's first Black leading lady did not mean Hollywood was prepared to let her remain one. Part 1 of our two-part series on Dorothy Dandridge is out now. — When They Were Making It is written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Rankin. Original artwork by Simone Beech and original music by Lionel Ziblat. Join WTWMI: The Backlot — our Patreon — for exclusive extras including mini and full-length bonus episodes, episode companion pieces, and behind-the-scenes materials at https://www.patreon.com/WhenTheyWereMakingIt. For episode information, show notes, upcoming episodes, and more, visit whentheyweremakingit.com. Follow WTWMI on Instagram and TikTok: @whentheyweremakingit. On Instagram, we share visual companion pieces for every episode, bringing the images, people, places, and atmosphere behind the story to life. New episodes of When They Were Making It drop every Tuesday. Follow now wherever you get your podcasts. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★