American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

Our American Alchemist this week is John S. Herrington, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Energy, who ran America's nuclear weapons complex at the height of the Cold War. --------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! ZocDoc: Head to https://zocdoc.com/jessemichels and check that appointment off your to-do list. Qualia: Curious about creatine? Go to https://qualialife.com/JESSE to get 50% off and save an extra 15% with the code JESSE. Grab Your American Alchemy Merchandise Here! https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ --------------------- John joined Reagan as a volunteer advance man in the 1960s. He later served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy, head of White House personnel, and Secretary of Energy from 1985 to 1989. In this episode, John takes us inside Reagan's cabinet: the stealth fighter he found hidden in his own budget, the Strategic Defense Initiative and Edward Teller's nuclear-powered space laser, Reagan's "throw deep" approval of the Superconducting Super Collider, and the secret Taiwanese nuclear weapons program the U.S. shut down. He also takes on the UFO question. He says the Navy's UAP videos are real, but calls a Reagan-era alien story "total B.S." and challenges David Grusch and others to show hard evidence. Watch Brent Friedman’s podcast here: https://soundlightfrequency.com/ Learn more about the Reagan legacy John helped preserve as a founding board member of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, and read Reagan, In His Own Hand, the collection John says proves Reagan wrote his own words - https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ Follow the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reaganfoundation Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RonaldReagan X: https://x.com/ronaldreagan YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/reaganfoundation --------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ https://jobs.gusto.com/boards/american-alchemy-3758eda5-237b-45f1-b043-da80a300714e Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] --------------------- TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Introduction 1:28 - Brent Friedman's Story 4:26 - Interview Preview 6:28 - Sponsors (Zocdoc) 8:14 - Meeting Ronald Reagan 10:11 - Reagan and SDI Opposition 11:21 - Reagan's Diaries and Speeches 13:02 - Strategic Defense Initiative Explained 15:48 - Edward Teller and Excalibur 17:33 - Green Fireballs Document 18:47 - UFOs, Navy Videos and Faith 21:28 - Herrington Denies Brent's Story 24:49 - The Greenbrier Bunker 27:26 - Brent Friedman Responds 29:43 - The 1981 Veranda Conversation 33:04 - Underground Facilities in West Virginia 35:13 - Polygraph and Money Questions 36:12 - Why Brent Went Public 39:01 - David Grusch 41:36 - The Politico Journalist 44:32 - UFOs at Nuclear Sites 46:09 - Harald Malmgren's UFO Debris 49:06 - A Secret Budget Item 49:23 - Sponsors (Qualia) 50:59 - F-117 and Skunk Works 52:30 - UFOs as Spy Plane Cover 53:15 - Oak Ridge Document 53:53 - Garry Nolan's Ubatuba Sample 56:57 - Reagan's 1974 UFO Sighting 58:26 - Otherworldly or Man-Made 59:23 - Battle of Los Angeles and Secrecy 1:00:34 - AI and Deepfakes 1:01:26 - Stratton, Lacatski and Lazar 1:03:31 - UFOs at Pantex and Fukushima 1:05:07 - Bobby Ray Inman 1:06:06 - UFOs and the Ocean Floor 1:07:26 - CIA's Hollywood Liaison 1:09:00 - Limits on Elected Leaders 1:10:32 - Exotic Propulsion and Submarines 1:11:28 - Nuclear Airplanes and Project Orion 1:12:43 - Nuclear Tests and Roswell 1:13:37 - The Question of Evidence 1:15:37 - Palomar Observatory Transients 1:17:13 - Parapsychology and Precognition 1:18:30 - Trump and Disclosure 1:20:25 - Cold Fusion 1:21:26 - Spies at the Energy Department 1:22:38 - PROMIS Software and Bill Richardson 1:24:09 - Genesis Mission and Underfunded Programs 1:25:57 - Public Fear of Nuclear Power 1:27:10 - SAIC and Bobby Ray Inman 1:29:01 - High-Energy Physics and UFOs 1:31:01 - Marco Rubio on UAP 1:32:54 - Atomic Energy Act and Rickover 1:35:13 - Seafloor Recovery and Puthoff's Hypothesis 1:37:55 - The CIA, Gaffney and Casey 1:40:17 - Closing and Reagan Keepsakes 1:42:45 - Brent on the Hazing Theory 1:44:18 - DOE Roswell Hazing Ritual 1:47:43 - Consciousness and Initiation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our American Alchemists this week are Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, the husband-and-wife research team who have spent decades chasing the truth behind the Aztec, New Mexico UFO crash. --------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! Dose: New customers can save 35% on your first month of subscription by going to https://dosedaily.co/JESSE or entering JESSE at checkout. Quo: Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to https://Quo.com/JESSE Perplexity: For a limited time only, our listeners can try Perplexity Computer for FREE. Head to https://PPLX.ai/JESSE Grab Your American Alchemy Merchandise Here! https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ --------------------- Scott and Suzanne have interviewed dozens of firsthand witnesses, tracked down FBI files, and traced a decades-long smear campaign that got Aztec branded a "hoax" — even though it may be one of the most thoroughly documented UFO crash retrievals on record. In this episode, we take the Ramseys' research directly to Hart Canyon, where witnesses described a 100-foot craft, 16 alien bodies, and a Baptist minister called in to pray over the dead. We dig into the FBI documents, the CIA-linked debunker who tried to bury the story, and the string of researchers who died just as they got close to the truth. Learn more about Scott and Suzanne Ramsey's research and get their new book, It Came to Earth at Aztec, New Mexico Revealed: The Recovery of a UFO - https://www.theaztecincident.com/ Follow the Aztec UFO Incident research: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aztecufoincident Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheAztecIncidentRecoveryAtHartCanyon X: https://x.com/AztecUFO --------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ https://jobs.gusto.com/boards/american-alchemy-3758eda5-237b-45f1-b043-da80a300714e Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] --------------------- TIMESTAMPS0:00 - Introduction 5:30 - Meet the Ramseys 6:17 - How Scott found the case 8:38 - Arriving in Aztec 9:35 - Why the town stayed quiet 11:32 - How many witnesses 12:19 - March 24, 1948: Cuba, New Mexico 13:31 - Valentine Archuleta sees it come down 15:49 - Doug Noland and the saucer on the mesa 17:23 - More witnesses arrive 20:39 - Inside the craft 21:24 - Sponsors (Dose) 22:59 - The bodies 23:50 - Solon Brown, Baptist minister 24:59 - A helicopter in 1948 26:12 - The military takes the mesa 29:48 - Scientists study the craft 31:51 - Moving the craft off the mesa 35:03 - Erasing the retrieval team 38:04 - Fred Reed re-landscapes the site 40:24 - The marble found at the site 41:02 - Part two: Frank Scully 44:13 - J.P. Cahn 45:33 - Silas Newton 47:50 - Leo Gebauer's FBI file 49:10 - The 1953 fraud case 51:17 - What if they were set up 53:14 - George Koehler and the Denver lecture 54:08 - Newton as Scientist X 57:32 - Sponsors (Quo) 59:01 - Sponsors (Perplexity) 1:02:32 - John Torrence Tate 1:06:33 - The nine scientists 1:10:29 - The 4602d and UFOB reports 1:13:02 - Taken to Wright Field 1:16:36 - Could radar have downed it 1:21:07 - Jake Barber on microwave weapons 1:22:24 - The Hottel Memo 1:25:01 - Bill Steinman 1:30:01 - Chris Evans and Alice Scully 1:33:50 - A visitor at the crash site 1:38:24 - Cattle mutilations 1:40:35 - Testing the marble 1:47:10 - The break-in 1:50:03 - Credits and the Ramseys' book Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our American Alchemist this week is Geoffrey Drumm, an independent researcher, author, and creator of The Land of Chem, focused on ancient technology and the true function of the Egyptian pyramids. --------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! Neurogum: For a limited time, you can get 20% off your first order at https://NeuroGum.com by using code JESSE ZBiotics: Go to https://zbiotics.com/JESSE and use JESSE at checkout for 15% off any first-time orders of ZBiotics probiotics. Qualia: Curious about creatine? Go to https://qualialife.com/JESSE to get 50% off and save an extra 15% with the code JESSE Grab Your American Alchemy Merchandise Here! https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ --------------------- Geoffrey Drumm began researching alternative theories about the pyramids in 2012 and first traveled to Egypt in 2017, where experiences at sites including the Red Pyramid helped shape his theory that ancient monuments may have functioned as industrial-scale chemical manufacturing systems. In this conversation, he explains why he believes the Step Pyramid extracted methane, the Red Pyramid produced ammonia, and the Great Pyramid manufactured sulfuric acid; how ancient stone circles and obelisks may have harnessed telluric currents and lightning; the possible connection between ball lightning, UFO sightings, and ancient sites; ancient weather modification; evidence for hidden tunnels and infrastructure beneath Giza; and why he believes the famous boat pits beside the Great Pyramid may have functioned as circuit breakers in a larger natural electrical network. Explore Geoffrey’s research, The Land of Chem, and his latest work at thelandofchem.com. YouTube: The Land of ChemInstagram: @thelandofchemX: @TheLandOfChemFacebook: The Land of Chem --------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ https://jobs.gusto.com/boards/american-alchemy-3758eda5-237b-45f1-b043-da80a300714e Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] --------------------- 0:00 - Introduction 3:07 - Revisiting the Filippo Biondi Interview 8:47 - Drumm's Confidence in the Scans 11:46 - Christopher Dunn's Power Plant Theory 13:23 - The Chemical Manufacturing Hypothesis 17:17 - Fritz Haber and Ammonia 21:10 - Who Built the Pyramids 25:11 - Telluric Currents Explained 29:09 - Stonehenge and the Altar Stone 31:28 - Lightning and Atmospheric Nitrates 32:51 - The Baltic Sea Anomaly 34:48 - Were Neolithic People Primitive? 37:05 - The Jomon and Komakino 39:43 - Sponsors (Neuro Gum) 41:41 - UFO Sightings at Kuromanta 42:35 - Blue Flames at the Pyramid 44:50 - The Varginha Incident 47:55 - Industrial Uses for Ammonia 48:57 - Younger Dryas and the Survivors 50:56 - Teotihuacan and Liquid Mercury 51:47 - Construction Materials and Mica 53:06 - White Horse Hills 56:06 - Schumann Resonance 59:12 - Michael Levin and Bioelectricity 1:00:40 - Stone Circles for Human Interface 1:03:39 - From Stone Circles to Pyramids 1:05:06 - Iron Veins Under the Great Pyramid 1:06:23 - Calcium Sulfate in the Queen's Chamber 1:08:57 - Newgrange as Passage Chamber Reactor 1:10:40 - Why Build in Egypt 1:13:28 - Discovering Sulfuric Acid 1:16:39 - The Output of Each Pyramid 1:17:53 - The Kardashev Scale 1:19:21 - Why These Chemicals Mattered 1:21:34 - Sponsors (Qualia) 1:23:09 - Sponsors (ZBiotics) 1:24:27 - What the Chemicals Were For 1:25:41 - Weather Modification Technology 1:26:59 - When the Knowledge Was Lost 1:29:05 - Greeks, Romans, and Evidence 1:32:11 - Andrew Hall and the Thunderbolts Project 1:34:32 - Conviction Level 1:36:54 - Favorite Piece of Evidence 1:39:59 - Robert Schoch and Lichtenberg Figures 1:43:59 - Electroculture 1:46:52 - The Boat Pits as Circuit Breakers 1:49:34 - Pyramid Alignments and Orion 1:53:16 - The Inverse Piezoelectric Effect 1:56:19 - Drumm's Bold Prediction 1:58:54 - The Ministry of Antiquities 2:01:33 - Lack of Recognition 2:04:46 - The Hawara Labyrinth 2:06:27 - Lost Ancient High Technology 2:07:20 - Leaving a Career Behind 2:09:19 - The Abusir Collection Bowl 2:10:02 - The Etymology of Chem 2:12:42 - Ammonia in the Red Pyramid 2:15:00 - The Hotel Encounter 2:19:34 - Theories About the Stranger 2:23:31 - Channels and Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our American Alchemist this week is Grant Cameron, a Canadian UFO researcher, author, and longtime investigator of government secrecy and the UFO phenomenon. --------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code AMERICANALCHEMY at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/americanalchemy Ridge: Get 10% Off your entire order & take advantage of Ridge’s Annual Sweepstakes by going to https://www.Ridge.com/COSMIC #Ridgepod MudWtr: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code JESSE at https://mudwtr.com/JESSE! #mudwtrpod Grab Your American Alchemy Merchandise Here! https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ --------------------- Grant Cameron has investigated UFOs since 1975, when a series of sightings known as “Charlie Red Star” drew him into the subject. Over the decades, his research has taken him through presidential UFO records, government documents, alleged crash-retrieval programs, intelligence insiders, and figures including Eric Walker, Bob Lazar, Tim Taylor, and members of the CIA community. In this conversation, Cameron recounts his interactions with alleged UFO insiders, explains how he obtained the Wilson-Davis memo, discusses the CIA’s so-called “Weird Desk,” government disinformation and managed disclosure, alleged UFO retrievals, portals and time travel programs, and why he believes the deepest secret behind the phenomenon may be consciousness rather than the craft themselves. Explore Grant Cameron’s books, including his latest, Beyond Managing Magic 2: Landing the Plane: https://itsallconnected.weebly.com/books.html YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@whitehouseufo X: https://x.com/GrantCameron Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whitehouseufo/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/presidentialufo --------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! 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Smith and Project Magnet 33:32 The Top Secret memo — the five points 36:02 William Steinman and Dr. Eric Wang 39:08 Roswell, Doty and the first phone calls 41:45 Loring, Wurtsmith, Minot: autumn 1975 44:55 The LBJ UFO study 47:24 The panel: the same names every time 49:45 Frances Swan, the channeler from Eliot, Maine 52:04 Vannevar Bush and the dollar-a-year men 54:12 "Go to the window" 56:32 Bob Jacobs and the 1964 Vandenberg film 59:23 Paul Shartle at Norton AFB 1:02:05 Holloman: 1971 or 1964? 1:04:14 Close Encounters and the Spielberg connection 1:06:27 The F-4 debunk 1:08:27 "The Pentagon storyboarded it" 1:10:55 Does the Vandenberg film still exist? 1:13:17 Congress and the classified film 1:18:40 How the Wilson-Davis memo got onto the internet 1:21:01 Teller, the Q clearance and December 6th 1:23:54 Tim Good: only at the base five or six times 1:26:39 Ad break — Ridge and MUD\WTR 1:29:30 Why they never fired Lazar 1:31:56 DARPA: talking to a computer with your mind 1:35:16 Is the disclosure push their plan? 1:37:32 Jim Semivan's seven-hour briefing 1:40:03 A craft that only opens if you vibrate right 1:42:30 Ron Johnson in the spirit world 1:44:56 Do the beings need bases? 1:47:08 "What do you know about ESP?" 1:49:44 Kingman: "How do you know they didn't walk away?" 1:51:41 Malmgren, Bobby Ray Inman and IDA 1:54:19 How Steinman found Eric Walker 1:56:07 "Why change the rules to satisfy your curiosity?" 1:57:50 Nixon, Jackie Gleason and Homestead 2:01:34 The Nixon letter to Emenegger 2:03:51 Paul Hellyer's dying witness 2:06:20 Stephen Lovekin, Eisenhower and Mount Weather 2:09:31 Reading the presidential libraries 2:11:44 The Reince Priebus briefing 2:13:48 Tim Taylor, NASA and Chris Bledsoe 2:16:13 Meeting Tim Taylor in 2013 2:18:44 The breadcrumbs: paintings and a postcard 2:20:16 The jump room 2:23:44 The Panama Canal tape 2:26:46 Dan Smith, Los Alamos and live aliens 2:29:24 The Jasons and gravitational waves 2:32:36 The Rockefeller Initiative 2:35:14 Kit Green goes to see Eric Walker 2:37:40 Semivan, Green and Tom DeLonge 2:40:43 Hillary, Kimmel and the practiced answer 2:42:34 The tar baby 2:44:46 Trump caught off guard 2:47:18 Portal tech versus nuts and bolts 2:49:35 The 36 people who flew the craft 2:52:33 Someone always standing behind you 2:55:08 "It is within you" 2:56:59 Skepticism, Descartes and the left-brain interpreter 3:00:24 Skinwalker Ranch is reflective Learn more about your ad choices. 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In 1977, two Air Force security policemen guarding nuclear missiles at Ellsworth Air Force Base encountered a massive craft, non-human beings, and lost nine hours of time. The military separated them. One was discharged. The other spent 47 years searching for his partner. We found him. This is the story of Mario Woods and Michael Johnson: the Ellsworth AFB incident, the reunion, and the first-ever dual hypnotic regression revealing what both men saw on the craft that night. GUESTS: Mario Woods - Former USAF Security Policeman, 44th Missile Security Squadron, Ellsworth AFB Michael Johnson - Former USAF Security Policeman, 44th Missile Security Squadron, Ellsworth AFB Yvonne Smith - Hypnotic Regression Therapist (40+ years) Ammar Kandil - Co-Producer, Co-Founder of Yes Theory Support Mario and Michael to help give them the retirement they deserve: https://www.gofundme.com/f/marioandmichael Watch our previous interview with Mario Woods: https://youtu.be/73YBwFvcmF8?si=EqkIsK9CK1zj1NBB —--------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! KetoneIQ: Visit https://ketone.com/ALCHEMY for 30% OFF your subscription order PLUS receive a free gift with your second shipment—or find Ketone-IQ at Target stores nationwide and get your first shot free! Factor: Head to https://factormeals.com/alchemy50off and use code alchemy50off to get 50 percent off and free breakfast for a year! iRestore: Unlock your best hair & skin with @iRestorelaser and HUGE savings on the iRESTORE Elite + Illumina Face Mask Bundle with code JESSE at https://www.irestore.com/JESSE #irestorepod —--------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w —--------------------- Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ https://jobs.gusto.com/boards/american-alchemy-3758eda5-237b-45f1-b043-da80a300714e Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] —--------------------- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 05:16 - The First Phone Call 15:18 - Mario and Michael Reunite 18:41 - Michael's First Memories 20:44 - Mario Tells the Full Story 24:39 - Alarm at November-5 26:31 - The Craft Above the Site 30:23 - The Black Sphere 33:13 - Do Not Fear 35:55 - Waking at the Reservoir 37:19 - The Recovery Team 39:49 - Separate Interrogations 42:14 - Sponsors (Ketone IQ) 43:40 - Sodium Pentothal 45:40 - Michael's Weakened Arm 48:15 - Questioning and Gaslighting 50:57 - Mario's Exam and Skin Sample 52:18 - The Debrief Room and Discharge 55:16 - The Missing Hours 56:38 - Yvonne Smith 57:51 - Michael's Regression Begins 1:00:08 - The Beings at the Windshield 1:02:51 - Taken From the Truck 1:05:11 - Mario's Regression 1:07:21 - The Examination 1:13:30 - Michael Watches the Playback 1:17:04 - Two Men, The Same Words 1:18:00 - Aftermath on Base 1:24:17 - The Glove on the Shiny Floor 1:27:57 - Mario's Room of Antiques 1:30:39 - Walking Among Us 1:31:30 - Robert Bigelow and Harry Reid 1:33:27 - Robert Hastings 1:35:45 - UFOs and Nukes 1:36:32 - Malmstrom, Big Sur, Vandenberg 1:38:30 - International Cases 1:39:59 - Roswell and Ellsworth, 1953 1:43:41 - Two More Ellsworth Cases 1:46:08 - The Eisenhower Rumor 1:48:45 - Rick Doty 1:51:39 - The L9 Incident Document 1:54:50 - Doty's Connection to L9 1:59:12 - The Changing Public Frame 2:00:58 - Keeping the Secret 2:03:32 - Sponsors (Factor) 2:04:58 - Sponsors (iRestore) 2:05:59 - Propulsion Systems Are Grown 2:08:51 - Cattle Mutilations 2:09:48 - Nuclear Sites on Sacred Land 2:12:55 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind 2:15:53 - 1977 Synchronicities 2:17:52 - The Forty-Nine Year Milestone 2:19:56 - Michael's Childhood in St. Louis 2:25:37 - Mario's First Sighting, 1961 2:30:11 - Michael's Missing Time in Nevada 2:34:36 - The Last Day in Austin 2:36:57 - GoFundMe for Mario and Michael 2:37:59 - What Actually Happened? 2:38:52 - Daniel and the Angels 2:46:38 - Closing Thoughts and Outro TIMESTAMPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices