#57 (EN): Mathematics, meaning and human knowledge with Simon DeDeo

In this episode of the ASEF Podcast, host Tanja Janko speaks with Simon DeDeo, Professor of Social and Decision Sciences at Carnegie Mellon University, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, and complexity scientist working at the intersection of physics, mathematics, cognition, and culture. Originally trained as a theoretical astrophysicist, DeDeo explores how humans create knowledge, meaning, and understanding. The conversation ranges from the nature of mathematical truth and proof to the role of social systems in shaping knowledge, and the profound implications of artificial intelligence for the future of mathematics. Along the way, we discuss: Why many physicists migrated into complexity science and the social sciences Whether reality is layered, from physical laws to perception, culture, and symbolic systems Why mathematicians across cultures converge on the same abstract structures The origins of mathematical proof and why it may be one of humanity’s most remarkable inventions Whether mathematics is a cognitive achievement, a social achievement, or both How communities establish trust in mathematical proofs Why AI-generated proofs could fundamentally transform the practice of mathematics Whether future mathematicians will focus more on understanding proofs than producing them How social norms, institutions, and shared meanings emerge and persist What makes extraordinary human achievements—from Fermat’s Last Theorem to Wikipedia—possible If you enjoyed this episode, share it with a friend, learn more about ASEF on our website and consider donating to support the ASEF's mission and programs!