Breakfast Leadership Show

Dr. Santarvis Brown joins Michael D. Levitt for a powerful conversation about leading with purpose, beginning with the difficult work of leading yourself. They explore authentic leadership, human connection, impact beyond titles, and how intentional growth and strong processes can help leaders and organizations avoid the “chaos tax” and create sustainable success.

Geoff Curtis shares an honest look at life after a 30-year career in biotech and pharmaceutical communications, exploring the uncertainty, identity shifts, and self-reflection that follow a major career transition. He and Michael discuss why embracing the uncomfortable “in-between” can lead to deeper self-discovery, renewed purpose, and a more intentional next chapter.

What You Will Learn In this episode, you will discover how the most powerful experiences are engineered around a single shared emotional trigger that lives in both the audience and the brand simultaneously. You will learn why most corporate and museum experiences entertain without transforming, and what business leaders must do differently. Guest Bio Bob Rogers is the founder of BRC Imagination Arts, a globally recognized experience design firm with 44 years of work spanning presidential libraries, cultural institutions, and major brand homes. His projects include the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the Jameson Distillery experience in Dublin, and the nine-story Johnnie Walker Princes Street experience in Edinburgh. Rogers began his career in the magic shop at Disneyland, an experience that permanently shaped his philosophy on identity transformation. His forthcoming book, Deep Story, distills decades of award-winning methodology into a practical framework any leader can apply. Website: BobRogers.com | Company: BRCweb.com Episode Summary Bob Rogers joins Michael Levitt on the Breakfast Leadership Show to discuss his forthcoming book, Deep Story, releasing September 8th. Rogers traces the origins of his approach to his days in the Disneyland magic shop, where he discovered that the most meaningful part of a demonstration was not impressing the audience but shifting their perception of what they themselves were capable of. For 44 years, BRC Imagination Arts has been designing permanent experiences for iconic institutions and brands. The defining question his firm asks is not whether visitors were entertained, but whether the experience changed what they do next. The conversation explores the core mechanism of Deep Story: finding the same pre-existing emotional trigger in both the audience and the subject, then building the entire experience around that common thread. Rogers argues this is what separates experiences that permanently alter behavior from those that simply produce a pleasant afternoon. The most resonant experiences cause people to feel that their own inner life is being articulated more clearly than they could manage themselves. Rogers also reflects on why he wrote the book, citing mentors such as Marty Sklar and Buzz Price, Disney Imagineering giants who invested in him early. He describes the book as paying that generosity forward to the next generation of leaders. Key Insights Transformation requires a target. Most organizations spend enormous resources creating experiences without defining the specific behavioral change they want to produce. Deep Story begins with that definition and works backward. The shared emotional trigger is the architecture. It is about locating the same emotional truth that already exists in both the audience and the brand, then making that overlap the structural foundation of everything. Identity shift is the highest outcome. The most powerful thing an experience can do is cause someone to see a new possibility in themselves. Entertaining is not transforming. Memorability and enjoyment are not the metric. The metric is whether the visitor leaves prepared to act differently. Resources and Links BobRogers.com | BRCweb.com | Deep Story releases September 8th Call to Action If this conversation shifted the way you think about how your organization shows up for its customers, share it with a colleague responsible for customer experience, brand, or culture. Subscribe to the Breakfast Leadership Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube, and visit BreakfastLeadership.com for more leadership resources.

Kathy Solberg Book Discussion Michael welcomed Kathy Solberg to discuss her background and book. Kathy shared her career journey from academia to running a leadership program and starting her own consulting company, Common Unity Consulting. She mentioned her upcoming book "Practical Tools for Workplace Transformation" releasing September 10th. The conversation touched on how Kathy's diverse experiences across academia, consulting, and running peer groups for various professionals have allowed her to accumulate valuable tools and skills that she uses to help others. Change Management Best Practices Kathy explained that many change management efforts fail because complex solutions are applied to complex problems without properly addressing existing systems and infrastructure. She described her "unweaving" process, which starts with noticing and clarifying current systems before acting, emphasizing the importance of understanding what works before implementing changes. Kathy noted that leaders often try too many different approaches without giving previous efforts enough time to succeed, leading to broken trust and employee exhaustion. AI Implementation Planning Challenges Michael shared his experience from government healthcare panels where doctors were often excluded from planning discussions, leading to failed implementations when doctors ultimately rejected the proposed solutions. He drew a parallel to current AI deployments, warning that many AI initiatives will likely fail by 2027 due to lack of proper oversight and understanding of standard operating procedures. Kathy agreed and added that many organizations struggle with creating meaningful strategic plans without proper human interaction in the process. Future-Focused Systems and Tools Book Kathy explained that her book, which took over three years to write, was inspired by her frustration with people wanting to return to pre-pandemic normalcy and her desire to share insights about creating a better future. She described the book as a gift of simplified systems and tools, including 302 worksheet pages that will be available for free on her website when the book launches in September. Workplace Boundaries Book Discussion Kathy discussed creating a book focused on workplace boundaries and control, which started as a personal project but evolved into a workplace-focused publication. Michael shared his experience with conference notes and learning resources, emphasizing the challenge of implementing new knowledge due to limited staffing. They both discussed the importance of applying learning to both personal and professional settings, with Kathy noting how her book addresses the connection between personal and workplace behavior. Book Promotion Timeline Discussion Michael and Kathy discussed the promotion and release timeline for Kathy's book. They agreed to release promotional content gradually over a few days to build anticipation, with Michael's team handling the editing and distribution process. Kathy provided her website kathysolberg.com as the place for people to learn more about her work and the book.

Barry Rosen has spent decades at Interaction Associates, a firm he joined in 1984 after being drawn to their focus on making meetings more effective. He began his career training teams at Ford, Dow, and DuPont during the early era of quality initiatives, teaching engineers and project managers how to facilitate meetings and navigate interpersonal dynamics. He went on to lead the training division at Interaction Associates for a decade, building out programs in facilitative leadership. Over the years he has trained consultants at firms including McKinsey, Bain, and PricewaterhouseCoopers, helping highly analytical professionals strengthen the human side of their work. His current focus is Essential Facilitation for Project Managers, a program built around the growing number of project managers seeking these skills. What You Will Learn Listeners will hear why facilitation is a teachable skill rather than an innate trait, and how it applies directly to running better meetings and better projects. Barry explains the three dimensions every skilled facilitator manages: results, process, and relationship. He and Michael discuss how artificial intelligence is changing the analytical side of project work while making the human and emotional side more important than ever. The conversation covers why so many AI initiatives stall, often because teams never clarified their outcomes or ownership before deploying the technology. Barry also walks through how project managers are evolving into process consultants who understand stakeholder needs, build agreements, and guide teams through structured problem solving rather than jumping straight to solutions. Episode Highlights Barry traces his path from joining Interaction Associates in 1984 to training engineering teams at Ford, Dow, and DuPont during the early push for quality and consensus based collaboration in American manufacturing. He describes the moment facilitation and collaborative leadership merged into a single discipline, and how that shift fueled a decade of growth in his training programs. Michael shares a personal story about a healthcare clinic project that had to be rebuilt in six weeks after a change in scope, illustrating how communication gaps derail even well managed projects. Barry connects this to his concept of collaborative intelligence, the ability to build agreements and reach outcomes that work for a group rather than any single person. The discussion turns to AI agents joining meetings as active participants, with Barry predicting this will become a normal part of how project teams operate. He closes by describing the upcoming Essential Facilitation for Project Managers program, set to launch in September. Guest Contact Information Barry Rosen, Interaction AssociatesUpcoming webinars and programs: https://interactionassociates.com/events Call to Action If this conversation on facilitation and collaborative leadership resonated with you, visit https://www.breakfastleadership.com/leadershipos to schedule your Leadership Diagnostic and find out where your organization's coordination gaps really are. More from Barry Rosen: https://www.interactionassociates.com/resources/blog/author/barry-rosen