<description>&lt;p&gt;What is God's will for humanity? Is it found in Genesis 1 and 2, or does Genesis 3 reveal something deeper? In this episode, Mike and Tim tackle "The Mystery of God's Will" by unpacking Genesis 3 and exploring how God's ideal will contrasts with the realities of a fallen world. With a focus on themes like cruciformity, faith, and navigating cultural challenges, the conversation dives into questions about suffering, the role of ideologies, and how theology shapes our understanding of justice and faith.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The hosts discuss how God's will operates within suboptimal conditions, the complexities of prayer, and how Jesus challenges simplistic moral frameworks. They also examine the role of the church in society and the intersections of faith and politics, offering insights on how Christians can engage with cultural issues while holding space for mystery, tension, and humility in their faith.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Join the conversation as they challenge common assumptions about God's nature, human suffering, and the role of theology in understanding our world. Engage with the discussion, share your thoughts, and send in your questions—we'd love to hear from you as we pursue these important conversations together!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;CHAPTERS:&lt;br /&gt; 00:00 - Tim's Punk Rock Show&lt;br /&gt; 01:40 - Corrections&lt;br /&gt; 03:20 - Understanding God's Will&lt;br /&gt; 06:40 - This Week in Christian Nationalism&lt;br /&gt; 16:04 - Women's Voting Rights Debate&lt;br /&gt; 17:14 - Final Thoughts on Ideologies&lt;br /&gt; 21:31 - Ideologies Explored&lt;br /&gt; 23:20 - Changing Ideological Systems&lt;br /&gt; 27:10 - Combating Ideological Challenges&lt;br /&gt; 34:45 - Complexity and Mystery of Faith&lt;br /&gt; 36:38 - Seeking the Truth&lt;br /&gt; 42:10 - What is the Truth?&lt;br /&gt; 42:53 - Intro&lt;br /&gt; 45:50 - Romans 8:28 Explained&lt;br /&gt; 51:10 - Moral Calculus in Christianity&lt;br /&gt; 54:00 - Insights from John 9&lt;br /&gt; 59:56 - God's Plan for Humanity&lt;br /&gt; 1:02:48 - God's Will Revisited&lt;br /&gt; 1:05:30 - How Prayer Works&lt;br /&gt; 1:06:36 - The Problem of Evil&lt;br /&gt; 1:07:31 - Understanding God's Nature&lt;br /&gt; 1:09:40 - OUTRO&lt;br /&gt; 1:11:32 - Outro&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to hello@voxpodcast.com, and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@voxology"&gt;&lt;span class= "s1"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;VOXOLOGY TV&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Our Merch Store! &lt;a href= "https://www.etsy.com/shop/VOXOLOGY?ref=shop_sugg_market"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt; ETSY&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Learn more about the &lt;a href= "https://voxologypodcast.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;Voxology Podcast&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Subscribe on &lt;a href= "https://apple.co/1Lla1Nj"&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;iTunes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href= "https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mvxz3OQDSkEpHujXiFkkr?si=KJoEXxxxTsqE-HiGL-PfIA"&gt; &lt;span class="s2"&gt;Spotify&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Support the Voxology Podcast on &lt;a href= "https://www.patreon.com/voxology"&gt;&lt;span class= "s2"&gt;Patreon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;The &lt;strong&gt;Voxology Spotify channel&lt;/strong&gt; can be found here: &lt;a href= "https://open.spotify.com/user/nj2l08pd1zt6zk3azs1plhmdy?si=3fb86269da0449ed"&gt; &lt;span class="s2"&gt;Voxology Radio&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on &lt;a href= "https://www.facebook.com/voxologypodcast"&gt;&lt;span class= "s2"&gt;Facebook&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Music in this episode by &lt;a href= "https://www.timothyjohnstafford.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;Timothy John Stafford&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;Instagram &amp; Twitter: @GoneTimothy&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Voxology

Mike Erre and Tim Stafford

From "So That" to "And Yet:" A Theology of Suffering

NOV 17, 202573 MIN
Voxology

From "So That" to "And Yet:" A Theology of Suffering

NOV 17, 202573 MIN

Description

What is God's will for humanity? Is it found in Genesis 1 and 2, or does Genesis 3 reveal something deeper? In this episode, Mike and Tim tackle "The Mystery of God's Will" by unpacking Genesis 3 and exploring how God's ideal will contrasts with the realities of a fallen world. With a focus on themes like cruciformity, faith, and navigating cultural challenges, the conversation dives into questions about suffering, the role of ideologies, and how theology shapes our understanding of justice and faith.

The hosts discuss how God's will operates within suboptimal conditions, the complexities of prayer, and how Jesus challenges simplistic moral frameworks. They also examine the role of the church in society and the intersections of faith and politics, offering insights on how Christians can engage with cultural issues while holding space for mystery, tension, and humility in their faith.

Join the conversation as they challenge common assumptions about God's nature, human suffering, and the role of theology in understanding our world. Engage with the discussion, share your thoughts, and send in your questions—we'd love to hear from you as we pursue these important conversations together!

CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Tim's Punk Rock Show 01:40 - Corrections 03:20 - Understanding God's Will 06:40 - This Week in Christian Nationalism 16:04 - Women's Voting Rights Debate 17:14 - Final Thoughts on Ideologies 21:31 - Ideologies Explored 23:20 - Changing Ideological Systems 27:10 - Combating Ideological Challenges 34:45 - Complexity and Mystery of Faith 36:38 - Seeking the Truth 42:10 - What is the Truth? 42:53 - Intro 45:50 - Romans 8:28 Explained 51:10 - Moral Calculus in Christianity 54:00 - Insights from John 9 59:56 - God's Plan for Humanity 1:02:48 - God's Will Revisited 1:05:30 - How Prayer Works 1:06:36 - The Problem of Evil 1:07:31 - Understanding God's Nature 1:09:40 - OUTRO 1:11:32 - Outro

As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram.

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