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GrowthBusters

Dave Gardner and Stephanie Gardner on sustainability

86: Projecting Optimism in the Time of Overshoot

JAN 15, 202552 MIN
GrowthBusters

86: Projecting Optimism in the Time of Overshoot

JAN 15, 202552 MIN

Description

Is optimism required in order to alert folks to our ecological overshoot emergency? Dave and Stephanie discuss the challenge of communicating the depth and urgency of overshoot without shutting people down.

Also:

  • Dave shares how he and a group of local growthbusters projected a guerilla "pop-up" billboard on New Year's Eve – attempting to provide an honest reality check, but not put revelers off (or entice police or security personnel to stop them)
  • The wisdom in U.S. President Jimmy Carter's "malaise" speech
  • Congestion pricing results in kids walking, riding bikes, or taking public transit to school
  • China wants to goose consumption in order to keep high GDP growth
  • Rampant growthism in reporting on UK economic contraction
  • Incoming Trump advisors count on economic growth to balance the budget
  • The enormous carbon footprint of stadium concerts and sporting events
  • A new book by Robin Wall Kimmerer: The Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

President Jimmy Carter's "Malaise" Speechhttps://youtu.be/sXwZSzy9Ies?si=ekyAsmL0FokRvpCc

London Saw a Surprising Benefit to Fining High-Polluting Cars: More Active Kidshttps://grist.org/cities/london-fining-polluting-cars-more-active-kids/

How the Debt Could Topple Trump's Growth Agendahttps://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/16/trump-ceos-american-debt-plan-00194362

The Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World - by Robin Wall Kimmererhttps://www.robinwallkimmerer.com/books

Give Us Feedback:

  • Record a voice message for us to play on the podcast: 719-402-1400
  • Send an email to podcast at growthbusters.org

The GrowthBusters theme song was written and produced by Jake Fader and sung by Carlos Jones. https://www.fadermusicandsound.com/ https://carlosjones.com/

On the GrowthBusters podcast, we come to terms with the limits to growth, explore the joy of sustainable living, and provide a recovery program from our society's growth addiction (economic/consumption and population). This podcast is part of the GrowthBusters project to raise awareness of overshoot and end our culture's obsession with, and pursuit of, growth.

Dave Gardner directed the documentary GrowthBusters: Hooked on Growth, which Stanford Biologist Paul Ehrlich declared "could be the most important film ever made." Co-host, and self-described "energy nerd," Stephanie Gardner has degrees in Environmental Studies and Environmental Law & Policy.

Join the GrowthBusters online community https://growthbusters.groups.io/

GrowthBusters: Hooked on Growth – free on YouTube https://youtu.be/_w0LiBsVFBo

Join the conversation on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/GrowthBustersPodcast/ Make a donation to support this non-profit project. https://www.growthbusters.org/donate/

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