<description>&lt;p class="p1"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;Population growth is making headlines for the wrong reason or with a biased perspective. It's too easy to draw erroneous conclusions about dropping fertility rates around the world. A surge of news stories from NPR compels us to offer both praise and criticism. Population growth appears to be coming to an end, and that's getting all the oxygen, not the fact that we have an overpopulation crisis. In fact, the word "overpopulation" is not heard even once in the 16 stories we analyzed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;Because the subject is brushed under the rug, reported infrequently or inaccurately, widespread misunderstandings among the public and policymakers persist. So, we decided 16 stories about "smaller families," "low birth rates," "depopulation," and "population decline" in 4 months from National Public Radio offered a good opportunity for us to do some analysis and offer suggestions. Our hope is that reporting might improve if journalists listen to this episode.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;We specifically mention NPR's Scott Simon, Brian Mann, Sarah McCammon, and Michel Martin. We also mention Wellesley College economist Phillip Levine, and offer some praise for The Rewilding Institute's John Davis. And we hear briefly from the U.N.'s Vladimira Kantorova in one of the stories. The work of these journalists also appeared in the NPR series: John Ruwitch, Jasmine Ling, Kristin Wright, Marisa Peñaloza, Hanna Merzbach, Christina Cala, Dalia Mortada, Michelle Jokisch Polo, Clara Hulet,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="s2"&gt;Anthony Kuhn,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="s1"&gt;Ayman Oghanna, and Code Switch podcast hosts Gene Demby and B.A. Parker.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p1"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;NOTE: The image representing this episode was AI generated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Population Shift: How Smaller Families are Changing the World&lt;/em&gt; (NPR series): &lt;a href= "https://www.npr.org/series/g-s1-94348/population-shift" target= "_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://www.npr.org/series/g-s1-94348/population-shift&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Seven of Nine Planetary Boundaries Now Breached:&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href= "https://www.stockholmresilience.org/news--events/general-news/2025-09-24-seven-of-nine-planetary-boundaries-now-breached.html" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://www.stockholmresilience.org/news--events/general-news/2025-09-24-seven-of-nine-planetary-boundaries-now-breached.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;Fair Start Movement: &lt;a href= "https://www.stockholmresilience.org/news--events/general-news/2025-09-24-seven-of-nine-planetary-boundaries-now-breached.html" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://fairstartmovement.org/model/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p3"&gt;&lt;span class="s3"&gt;&lt;em&gt;World Population Day: Rights of Children Eclipse What Parents "Want&lt;/em&gt;" – by Dave Gardner: &lt;a href= "https://medium.com/ending-overshoot/world-population-day-rights-of-children-eclipse-what-parents-want-e737d7b60d1b" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;&lt;span class= "s4"&gt;https://medium.com/ending-overshoot/world-population-day-rights-of-children-eclipse-what-parents-want-e737d7b60d1b&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;World Scientists Warnings: &lt;a href= "https://scientistswarning.org/warnings/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://scientistswarning.org/warnings/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Racial History of the 'Overpopulation Time Bomb' and 'Pronatalism' Movements&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;Heard on Morning Edition, reported by Gene Demby and Michel Martin&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s5"&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.npr.org/2025/10/28/nx-s1-5551128/the-racial-history-of-the-overpopulation-time-bomb-and-pronatalism-movements" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://www.npr.org/2025/10/28/nx-s1-5551128/the-racial-history-of-the-overpopulation-time-bomb-and-pronatalism-movements&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;How Elon Musk and JD Vance Plan to 'Save Civilization' With More Babies –&lt;/em&gt; episode of &lt;em&gt;Code Switch&lt;/em&gt; podcast, with Christina Cala, Dalia Mortada, Gene Demby and B.A. Parker&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s5"&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.npr.org/2025/10/29/nx-s1-5588605/how-elon-musk-and-jd-vance-plan-to-save-civilization-with-more-babies" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://www.npr.org/2025/10/29/nx-s1-5588605/how-elon-musk-and-jd-vance-plan-to-save-civilization-with-more-babies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Busting Only-Child Myths&lt;/em&gt; – episode of &lt;em&gt;Overshoot&lt;/em&gt; podcast: &lt;a href= "https://www.populationbalance.org/podcast/lauren-sandler" target= "_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;&lt;span class= "s6"&gt;https://www.populationbalance.org/podcast/lauren-sandler&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Only Child: Debunking the Myths&lt;/em&gt; – Time magazine story by Lauren Sandler: &lt;a href= "http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2002530,00.html" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2002530,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;One and Only: The Freedom of Having an Only Child&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;The Joy of Being One&lt;/em&gt; – book by Lauren Sandler&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s5"&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.laurenosandler.com/the-book" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://www.laurenosandler.com/the-book&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Insist That Public Policy Respects the Rights of Children and Women&lt;/em&gt; – by Dave Gardner&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s5"&gt;&lt;a href= "https://fairstartmovement.org/insist-that-public-policy-respects-the-rights-of-children-and-women/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://fairstartmovement.org/insist-that-public-policy-respects-the-rights-of-children-and-women/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Economic Wisdom from the Natural World: The Serviceberry&lt;/em&gt; - episode 92 of the &lt;em&gt;GrowthBusters&lt;/em&gt; podcast: &lt;a href= "https://www.growthbusters.org/serviceberry/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://www.growthbusters.org/serviceberry/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p3"&gt;&lt;span class="s3"&gt;Book Club Choice:&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s3"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Abundant Earth Offers a Positive Vision for the Future&lt;/em&gt; – review of &lt;em&gt;Abundant Earth&lt;/em&gt;, by Eileen Crist: &lt;a href= "https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/201904/abundant-earth-offers-positive-vision-the-future" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;&lt;span class= "s4"&gt;https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/201904/abundant-earth-offers-positive-vision-the-future&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="p2"&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;In Memory of Jane Goodall, Outspoken on Overpopulation&lt;/em&gt; – by Dave Gardner&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s5"&gt;&lt;a href= "https://davetheplanet.substack.com/p/in-memory-of-jane-goodall-outspoken" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"&gt;https://davetheplanet.substack.com/p/in-memory-of-jane-goodall-outspoken&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 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Dave Gardner and Stephanie Gardner on sustainability

94: Reporting on Population – Sense and Nonsense

NOV 18, 202552 MIN
GrowthBusters

94: Reporting on Population – Sense and Nonsense

NOV 18, 202552 MIN

Description

Population growth is making headlines for the wrong reason or with a biased perspective. It's too easy to draw erroneous conclusions about dropping fertility rates around the world. A surge of news stories from NPR compels us to offer both praise and criticism. Population growth appears to be coming to an end, and that's getting all the oxygen, not the fact that we have an overpopulation crisis. In fact, the word "overpopulation" is not heard even once in the 16 stories we analyzed.

Because the subject is brushed under the rug, reported infrequently or inaccurately, widespread misunderstandings among the public and policymakers persist. So, we decided 16 stories about "smaller families," "low birth rates," "depopulation," and "population decline" in 4 months from National Public Radio offered a good opportunity for us to do some analysis and offer suggestions. Our hope is that reporting might improve if journalists listen to this episode.

We specifically mention NPR's Scott Simon, Brian Mann, Sarah McCammon, and Michel Martin. We also mention Wellesley College economist Phillip Levine, and offer some praise for The Rewilding Institute's John Davis. And we hear briefly from the U.N.'s Vladimira Kantorova in one of the stories. The work of these journalists also appeared in the NPR series: John Ruwitch, Jasmine Ling, Kristin Wright, Marisa Peñaloza, Hanna Merzbach, Christina Cala, Dalia Mortada, Michelle Jokisch Polo, Clara Hulet, Anthony Kuhn, Ayman Oghanna, and Code Switch podcast hosts Gene Demby and B.A. Parker.

NOTE: The image representing this episode was AI generated.

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

Population Shift: How Smaller Families are Changing the World (NPR series): https://www.npr.org/series/g-s1-94348/population-shift

Seven of Nine Planetary Boundaries Now Breached: https://www.stockholmresilience.org/news--events/general-news/2025-09-24-seven-of-nine-planetary-boundaries-now-breached.html

Fair Start Movement: https://fairstartmovement.org/model/

World Population Day: Rights of Children Eclipse What Parents "Want" – by Dave Gardner: https://medium.com/ending-overshoot/world-population-day-rights-of-children-eclipse-what-parents-want-e737d7b60d1b

World Scientists Warnings: https://scientistswarning.org/warnings/

The Racial History of the 'Overpopulation Time Bomb' and 'Pronatalism' MovementsHeard on Morning Edition, reported by Gene Demby and Michel Martinhttps://www.npr.org/2025/10/28/nx-s1-5551128/the-racial-history-of-the-overpopulation-time-bomb-and-pronatalism-movements

How Elon Musk and JD Vance Plan to 'Save Civilization' With More Babies – episode of Code Switch podcast, with Christina Cala, Dalia Mortada, Gene Demby and B.A. Parkerhttps://www.npr.org/2025/10/29/nx-s1-5588605/how-elon-musk-and-jd-vance-plan-to-save-civilization-with-more-babies

Busting Only-Child Myths – episode of Overshoot podcast: https://www.populationbalance.org/podcast/lauren-sandler

The Only Child: Debunking the Myths – Time magazine story by Lauren Sandler: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2002530,00.html

One and Only: The Freedom of Having an Only Child, and The Joy of Being One – book by Lauren Sandlerhttps://www.laurenosandler.com/the-book

Insist That Public Policy Respects the Rights of Children and Women – by Dave Gardnerhttps://fairstartmovement.org/insist-that-public-policy-respects-the-rights-of-children-and-women/

Economic Wisdom from the Natural World: The Serviceberry - episode 92 of the GrowthBusters podcast: https://www.growthbusters.org/serviceberry/

Book Club Choice:Abundant Earth Offers a Positive Vision for the Future – review of Abundant Earth, by Eileen Crist: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/201904/abundant-earth-offers-positive-vision-the-future

In Memory of Jane Goodall, Outspoken on Overpopulation – by Dave Gardnerhttps://davetheplanet.substack.com/p/in-memory-of-jane-goodall-outspoken

Dave the Planet - Dave's Substack Column: https://davetheplanet.substack.com/

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Dave Gardner directed the documentary GrowthBusters: Hooked on Growth, which Stanford Biologist Paul Ehrlich declared "could be the most important film ever made." Co-host, and self-described "energy nerd," Stephanie Gardner has degrees in Environmental Studies and Environmental Law & Policy.

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