In Episode 392 of the Follow 2 Lead Podcast, Tony Miltenberger sits down with Dale Sellers for a powerful and timely conversation about the evolving landscape of church leadership—especially in small to medium-sized churches. Together, they unpack the unique challenges pastors face today, including shifting attendance patterns, the need for strategic management, and the vital role of community engagement. Dale vulnerably shares his personal journey through ministry, identity, trauma, and healing, offering practical wisdom on embracing apostolic leadership, facing fears, and finding spiritual freedom. Whether you're a pastor, faith-driven executive, or ministry leader, this episode will leave you encouraged, equipped, and reminded that you're not alone in the work of shepherding others.

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