In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks with Lorenzo Vidino, Director of the Programme on Extremism at The George Washington University.

What happens when an ideological movement is neither a terrorist organisation nor an ordinary religious group — but something in between? One of the world’s leading experts on the Muslim Brotherhood explains…

• The early history of Islam in America

• The first Brotherhood-linked students arriving in the U.S. in the 50s and 60s

• The formation of the first American Brotherhood cells

• The Brotherhood’s gradual institutional influence across the 80s and 90s

• Why CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) is so controversial

• Germany’s three-fold classification system and what the U.S. can learn from it

  
  

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Check out his books:

• The New Muslim Brotherhood in the West (Columbia University Press, 2010)

• The Closed Circle: Joining and Leaving the Muslim Brotherhood in the West (Columbia University Press, 2020).

  
  

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