<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;In the 64th episode of Truer Words, we speak with Cassie Gustafson about writing about sexual assault responsibly, loving dark stories, and Tana French.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Cassie&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;can be found on Twitter&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href= "https://twitter.com/cassiegusty"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;@cassiegusty&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;and Instagram&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href= "https://www.instagram.com/cassiegusty/"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;@cassiegusty&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;. Her website is&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href= "https://www.cassiegustafson.com/about"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;cassiegustafson.com&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mentioned in this Episode:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://djerassi.org"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Djerassi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://novaren.com"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Nova Ren Suma&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.truerwordspodcast.com/episodes/2019/1/27/wmagx48233mlrfp72bii5rped55hh8"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Our episode with Nova Ren Suma&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/world-of-our-fathers-irving-howe/1100423338"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;World of Our Fathers: The Journey of Eastern European Jews and the Life They Found and Made&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Irving Howe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Klein"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Norma Klein&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/205646.Just_Friends"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; Just Friends&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.indiewire.com/2021/01/margaret-extended-cut-kenneth-lonergan-hbo-max-1234607360/"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Margaret&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/07/the-cinematic-traumas-of-kenneth-lonergan"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;The Cinematic Traumas of Kenneth Lonergan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2018/06/13/you-have-to-fail-a-little-on-hearts-of-darkness/"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Melissa's Bright Wall / Dark Room essay&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/magazine/issues/issue41/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; Margaret issue of Bright Wall / Dark Room&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ol&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href= "https://twitter.com/j_smithcameron?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Smith-Cameron&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.hbomax.com/series/urn:hbo:series:GWukCJAq-nIuHwwEAAAB4?utm_id=sa%7C71700000066890720%7C58700007073198424%7Cp63653193603&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwuIWHBhBDEiwACXQYsfdR90fUqEmExYrFTQ9Vk4PIx6wsmCo9XH6A0aVyM8sF4XX2rKlIGRoCrGIQAvD_BwE&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Succession&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.amazon.com/You-Can-Count-Laura-Linney/dp/B000I9W2M2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; You Can Count on Me&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/amzn1.dv.gti.1ead76ad-34f1-6efc-cb00-5e7ad3d3cd07/ref=dv_web_auth_no_re_sig?ie=UTF8&amp;autoplay=1&amp;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Manchester by the Sea&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_in_America"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Angels in America&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZhAdfMCb9s"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;West Side Story&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.amazon.com/Gosford-Park-Maggie-Smith/dp/B000I543SM"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; Gosford Park&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.maureenjohnsonbooks.com/book/the-box-in-the-woods/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; The Box in the Woods&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Maureen Johnson&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.maureenjohnsonbooks.com/the-truly-devious-series/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; Truly Devious Trilogy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Maureen Johnson&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://juliacameronlive.com/the-artists-way/"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;The Artist's Way&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Julia Cameron&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://juliacameronlive.com/books-by-julia/finding-water-the-art-of-perseverance/"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Finding Water&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Julia Cameron&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/burnout-medical-condition-pandemic/619321/"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;By Now, Burnout is a Given&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://buffy.fandom.com/wiki/Band_Candy"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Band Candy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=893fEietPbQ"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Earshot - Buffy saves Jonathan&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Strong"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; Danny Strong&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://madwomanintheforest.com"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Laurie Halse Anderson&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://madwomanintheforest.com/book/speak/"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Speak&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.tanafrench.com"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Tana French&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.tanafrench.com/books/the-secret-place-tr"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;The Secret Place&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Tana French&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.tanafrench.com/books/the-trespasser-tr"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;The Trespasser&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Tana French&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.tanafrench.com/books/in-the-woods-tr"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;In the Woods&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Tana French&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://lauriestolarz.com"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Laurie Faria Stolarz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://lauriestolarz.com/book/jane-anonymous/"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Jane Anonymous&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Laurie Faria Stolarz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://lauriestolarz.com/book/the-last-secret-youll-ever-keep/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt; The Last Secret You'll Ever Keep&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Laurie Faria Stolarz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.aiden-thomas.com/never-woods"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Lost in the Never Woods&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Aiden Thomas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250315328"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;A Song Below Water&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;by Bethany C. Morrow&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.hulu.com/series/the-handmaids-tale-565d8976-9d26-4e63-866c-40f8a137ce5f"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;The Handmaid's Tale&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;on Hulu&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href= "https://www.npr.org/2021/02/15/965590794/robin-wright-makes-her-feature-directorial-debut-in-land"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Land&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;directed by Robin Wright&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nbc.com/songland"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Songland&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;About Us:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Truer Words is created and produced by Melissa Baumgart and Kathryn Benson. Our music was composed by Mike Sayre, and our logo was designed by Marianne Murphy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;You can follow us on Twitter&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href= "https://twitter.com/truerwordspod"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;@truerwordspod&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;and on Instagram&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href= "https://www.instagram.com/truerwordspodcast/"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;@truerwordspodcast&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;. Contact us via our website,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href= "http://truerwordspodcast.com"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;truerwordspodcast.com&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;, or email us at&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href= "mailto:truerwordspodcast@gmail.com"&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;truerwordspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Truer Words

Truer Words

Cassie Gustafson

JUL 5, 202188 MIN
Truer Words

Cassie Gustafson

JUL 5, 202188 MIN

Description

In the 64th episode of Truer Words, we speak with Cassie Gustafson about writing about sexual assault responsibly, loving dark stories, and Tana French. Cassie can be found on Twitter @cassiegusty and Instagram @cassiegusty. Her website is cassiegustafson.com. Mentioned in this Episode: Djerassi Nova Ren Suma Our episode with Nova Ren Suma World of Our Fathers: The Journey of Eastern European Jews and the Life They Found and Made by Irving Howe Norma Klein Just Friends Margaret The Cinematic Traumas of Kenneth Lonergan Melissa's Bright Wall / Dark Room essay Margaret issue of Bright Wall / Dark Room Smith-Cameron Succession You Can Count on Me Manchester by the Sea Angels in America West Side Story Gosford Park The Box in the Woods by Maureen Johnson Truly Devious Trilogy by Maureen Johnson The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron Finding Water by Julia Cameron By Now, Burnout is a Given Band Candy Earshot - Buffy saves Jonathan Danny Strong Laurie Halse Anderson Speak Tana French The Secret Place by Tana French The Trespasser by Tana French In the Woods by Tana French Laurie Faria Stolarz Jane Anonymous by Laurie Faria Stolarz The Last Secret You'll Ever Keep by Laurie Faria Stolarz Lost in the Never Woods by Aiden Thomas A Song Below Water by Bethany C. Morrow The Handmaid's Tale on Hulu Land directed by Robin Wright Songland About Us: Truer Words is created and produced by Melissa Baumgart and Kathryn Benson. Our music was composed by Mike Sayre, and our logo was designed by Marianne Murphy. You can follow us on Twitter @truerwordspod and on Instagram @truerwordspodcast. Contact us via our website, truerwordspodcast.com, or email us at [email protected].