<p>In this episode (originally aired on 6/5/24), I sit down with Eve Rodsky, creator, founder, and author of Fair Play: a life-management and household organization system. Eve and I discuss her feminist upbringing and how her experiences in the corporate world were inhospitable to motherhood, how she created the Fair Play system and why a “blueberry text” from her husband was the catalyst, and why it’s essential to change from the reactive to the systematic when implementing change. Eve talks about the burden of invisible work that women so often take upon themselves in the home, she explains how the Fair Play cards work, and we discuss listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load. Finally, we talk about why it’s so hard to have these conversations with our partners, what defines a “unicorn space” versus other types of fun, and why it is essential for our happiness and longevity to create “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments in our lives.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Key Takeaway / Points:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Why I recommend Eve’s method to anyone who will listen</p></li><li><p>On “Fair Play,” Eve’s life-management and household organization method</p></li><li><p>Eve’s upbringing in a post-70s feminist wave</p></li><li><p>Eve’s experience as a young mother in the corporate world</p></li><li><p>Why America isn’t designed to support mothers</p></li><li><p>On the goal of being consistently interested in your own life</p></li><li><p>Why “hobbies” are not serving us</p></li><li><p>The “blueberry text” that led to Eve creating the Fair Play system</p></li><li><p>On changing from the reactive to the systematic</p></li><li><p>On invisible work and “The Shit I Do” spreadsheet</p></li><li><p>A deep dive into how the Fair Play cards work</p></li><li><p>Listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load</p></li><li><p>Why it’s so difficult to have these conversations</p></li><li><p>Why society views women’s time as infinite</p></li><li><p>On the sanctity of “unicorn space”</p></li><li><p>On creating “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments for yourself</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p>Stream the Fair Play documentary on Hulu <a href="https://www.hulu.com/movie/c8f49f9e-0075-40df-867f-b2cd8ddb6b67" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p>Read Fair Play <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fair-Play-Game-Changing-Solution-When/dp/0525541942?_encoding=UTF8&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mNmrLyFRA8JrxIJN6t3hVe-qDvg_fNqPTrMYxy1UOSXl1YbzFwjjXMbW4Bgpi211RhGABa75w7ywMFR2vrK1qOmMfUL9rBBaORBnACighT3T7T_05rGS1yF6iuGYoA3YUFoVVVi08gHLjQorW3wBIxDSxqpN4PT-j0uvICOKf8XxstFxW6bAwfvI9OWOeYokPW4uHfXpSXgzSgzErC8ckwjHjuoKzhkaHCmMMLXAWjE.UTsMOlfKHi3KrVaE9rE46iAxWOUxPgBKoT-9G0edh70&amp;qid=1717114277&amp;sr=8-3&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=cameronlinvil-20&amp;linkId=dc64df9b3587eedf662ec7a1b21f9c70&amp;language=en_US&amp;ref_=as_li_ss_tl&amp;ascsubtag=srctok-6acded945e160532&amp;btn_ref=srctok-6acded945e160532" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p>Buy the Fair Play card deck <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fair-Play-Deck-Conversation-Prioritizing/dp/059323166X?crid=19MWM5O7Y6PPD&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mNmrLyFRA8JrxIJN6t3hVe-qDvg_fNqPTrMYxy1UOSXl1YbzFwjjXMbW4Bgpi211RhGABa75w7ywMFR2vrK1qOmMfUL9rBBaORBnACighT3T7T_05rGS1yF6iuGYoA3YUFoVVVi08gHLjQorW3wBIxDSxqpN4PT-j0uvICOKf8XxstFxW6bAwfvI9OWOeYokPW4uHfXpSXgzSgzErC8ckwjHjuoKzhkaHCmMMLXAWjE.UTsMOlfKHi3KrVaE9rE46iAxWOUxPgBKoT-9G0edh70&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=fairplay&amp;qid=1717114320&amp;sprefix=fairplay%2Caps%2C89&amp;sr=8-1&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=cameronlinvil-20&amp;linkId=a2f0f56423dd3dd831c5bdf88547330a&amp;language=en_US&amp;ref_=as_li_ss_tl&amp;ascsubtag=srctok-77d4a05e3eb28460&amp;btn_ref=srctok-77d4a05e3eb28460" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Watch this episode on YouTube <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmzLBFgGas&amp;list=PLzWcopAHpxrQKhUxe4YDrSAWEEuIk27Wd&amp;index=88" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Follow Eve:</p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/fairplaylife/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@fairplaylife</a></p><p>Website: <a href="http://www.fairplaylife.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">www.fairplaylife.com</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Follow me:</p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/cameronoaksrogers/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@cameronoaksrogers</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/conversationswithcam/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@conversations_with_cam</a></p><p>Substack: <a href="https://cameronoaksrogers.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Fill Your Cup</a></p><p>Website: <a href="http://cameronoaksrogers.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">cameronoaksrogers.com</a></p><p>TikTok: <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@cameronoaksrogers" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@cameronoaksrogers</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@conversations_with_cam" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@conversations_with_cam</a></p><p>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA1ZezsFgphcediUbG_LldA" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Cameron Rogers</a><br /></p>

Conversations with Cam

Cameron Oaks Rogers

RERUN - Creating Equal Partners Through Division of Labor with Eve Rodksy

NOV 26, 202577 MIN
Conversations with Cam

RERUN - Creating Equal Partners Through Division of Labor with Eve Rodksy

NOV 26, 202577 MIN

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<p>In this episode (originally aired on 6/5/24), I sit down with Eve Rodsky, creator, founder, and author of Fair Play: a life-management and household organization system. Eve and I discuss her feminist upbringing and how her experiences in the corporate world were inhospitable to motherhood, how she created the Fair Play system and why a “blueberry text” from her husband was the catalyst, and why it’s essential to change from the reactive to the systematic when implementing change. Eve talks about the burden of invisible work that women so often take upon themselves in the home, she explains how the Fair Play cards work, and we discuss listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load. Finally, we talk about why it’s so hard to have these conversations with our partners, what defines a “unicorn space” versus other types of fun, and why it is essential for our happiness and longevity to create “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments in our lives.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Key Takeaway / Points:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Why I recommend Eve’s method to anyone who will listen</p></li><li><p>On “Fair Play,” Eve’s life-management and household organization method</p></li><li><p>Eve’s upbringing in a post-70s feminist wave</p></li><li><p>Eve’s experience as a young mother in the corporate world</p></li><li><p>Why America isn’t designed to support mothers</p></li><li><p>On the goal of being consistently interested in your own life</p></li><li><p>Why “hobbies” are not serving us</p></li><li><p>The “blueberry text” that led to Eve creating the Fair Play system</p></li><li><p>On changing from the reactive to the systematic</p></li><li><p>On invisible work and “The Shit I Do” spreadsheet</p></li><li><p>A deep dive into how the Fair Play cards work</p></li><li><p>Listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load</p></li><li><p>Why it’s so difficult to have these conversations</p></li><li><p>Why society views women’s time as infinite</p></li><li><p>On the sanctity of “unicorn space”</p></li><li><p>On creating “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments for yourself</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p>Stream the Fair Play documentary on Hulu <a href="https://www.hulu.com/movie/c8f49f9e-0075-40df-867f-b2cd8ddb6b67" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p>Read Fair Play <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fair-Play-Game-Changing-Solution-When/dp/0525541942?_encoding=UTF8&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mNmrLyFRA8JrxIJN6t3hVe-qDvg_fNqPTrMYxy1UOSXl1YbzFwjjXMbW4Bgpi211RhGABa75w7ywMFR2vrK1qOmMfUL9rBBaORBnACighT3T7T_05rGS1yF6iuGYoA3YUFoVVVi08gHLjQorW3wBIxDSxqpN4PT-j0uvICOKf8XxstFxW6bAwfvI9OWOeYokPW4uHfXpSXgzSgzErC8ckwjHjuoKzhkaHCmMMLXAWjE.UTsMOlfKHi3KrVaE9rE46iAxWOUxPgBKoT-9G0edh70&amp;qid=1717114277&amp;sr=8-3&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=cameronlinvil-20&amp;linkId=dc64df9b3587eedf662ec7a1b21f9c70&amp;language=en_US&amp;ref_=as_li_ss_tl&amp;ascsubtag=srctok-6acded945e160532&amp;btn_ref=srctok-6acded945e160532" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p>Buy the Fair Play card deck <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fair-Play-Deck-Conversation-Prioritizing/dp/059323166X?crid=19MWM5O7Y6PPD&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mNmrLyFRA8JrxIJN6t3hVe-qDvg_fNqPTrMYxy1UOSXl1YbzFwjjXMbW4Bgpi211RhGABa75w7ywMFR2vrK1qOmMfUL9rBBaORBnACighT3T7T_05rGS1yF6iuGYoA3YUFoVVVi08gHLjQorW3wBIxDSxqpN4PT-j0uvICOKf8XxstFxW6bAwfvI9OWOeYokPW4uHfXpSXgzSgzErC8ckwjHjuoKzhkaHCmMMLXAWjE.UTsMOlfKHi3KrVaE9rE46iAxWOUxPgBKoT-9G0edh70&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=fairplay&amp;qid=1717114320&amp;sprefix=fairplay%2Caps%2C89&amp;sr=8-1&amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;tag=cameronlinvil-20&amp;linkId=a2f0f56423dd3dd831c5bdf88547330a&amp;language=en_US&amp;ref_=as_li_ss_tl&amp;ascsubtag=srctok-77d4a05e3eb28460&amp;btn_ref=srctok-77d4a05e3eb28460" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Watch this episode on YouTube <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmzLBFgGas&amp;list=PLzWcopAHpxrQKhUxe4YDrSAWEEuIk27Wd&amp;index=88" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">HERE</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Follow Eve:</p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/fairplaylife/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@fairplaylife</a></p><p>Website: <a href="http://www.fairplaylife.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">www.fairplaylife.com</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Follow me:</p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/cameronoaksrogers/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@cameronoaksrogers</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/conversationswithcam/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@conversations_with_cam</a></p><p>Substack: <a href="https://cameronoaksrogers.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Fill Your Cup</a></p><p>Website: <a href="http://cameronoaksrogers.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">cameronoaksrogers.com</a></p><p>TikTok: <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@cameronoaksrogers" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@cameronoaksrogers</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@conversations_with_cam" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">@conversations_with_cam</a></p><p>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA1ZezsFgphcediUbG_LldA" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Cameron Rogers</a><br /></p>