Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate
Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate

Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate

RCLCO Real Estate Consulting

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A podcast hosted by RCLCO Real Estate Consulting. The show that brings you illuminating interviews with today’s most relevant and motivating leaders throughout all corners of the real estate sector. Each episode will feature different masters in real estate, revealing challenging lessons they’ve learned, their secrets to success, and opinions regarding the state of the market. For more than 50 years RCLCO helps clients make strategic, effective, and enduring decisions about real estate investment, repositioning, planning, and development. Learn more about RCLCO at www.rclco.com.

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Best Minds: Steve Nygren
SEP 30, 2025
Best Minds: Steve Nygren
<p><section class="l-section wpb_row height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-8 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h1>Best Minds: Steve Nygren</h1> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-image align_none"><div class="w-image-h"><img width="1024" height="412" src="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E45-Steve-Nygren-1024x412.webp" class="attachment-large size-large" alt="" loading="lazy" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E45-Steve-Nygren-1024x412.webp 1024w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E45-Steve-Nygren-300x121.webp 300w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E45-Steve-Nygren-600x241.webp 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column us_custom_4e55af8d has_text_color"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p><b>September 30, 2025</b></p> </div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p>By <a href="/leadership/taylor-mammen/"><u>Gregg Logan, Managing Director, RCLCO</u></a></p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>How can we build more connected, sustainable, and joyful communities?</h2> <p>In this episode of <a href="/pub_cat/podcast/"><em>Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate</em></a>, Managing Director Gregg Logan sits down with Steve Nygren, the visionary developer behind <a href="https://www.serenbe.com/">Serenbe</a>, a pioneering biophilic community just outside Atlanta, that’s become a national model for sustainable, wellness-centered living.</p> <p>Steve’s upcoming book, <strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Start-Your-Own-Backyard-Transforming/dp/1637747438"><em>Start in Your Own Backyard: Transforming Where We Live with Radical Common Sense</em></a> (out Oct 7)</strong>, is both memoir and manual — a call to action for anyone looking to make meaningful change in their community.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-btn-wrapper align_center"><a class="w-btn us-btn-style_1" href="https://www.amazon.com/Start-Your-Own-Backyard-Transforming/dp/1637747438"><span class="w-btn-label">Purchase Book</span></a></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-actionbox us_custom_eee5d1a8 has_text_color color_secondary controls_right"><div class="w-actionbox-text"><div class="w-actionbox-description"><p><em>“There&#8217;s an idea, you know, a preconception that people do not want live next to each other anymore. Well, maybe it isn&#8217;t for everyone, but my goodness, we have shown that there is a huge part of the market that&#8217;s not being addressed. We&#8217;re having people here from all over the country because they are craving places that actually are walkable and connect to nature at the same time. ”</em></p> <p><strong>&#8211; Steve on the desire for closer knit and nature-centered communities</strong></p> </div></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p>Steve shares the extraordinary story of how a simple weekend drive turned into a movement to reimagine how we live, one rooted in connection to nature, community, and human well-being. From his early days revolutionizing Atlanta’s dining scene to orchestrating the zoning and planning that made Serenbe possible, Steve unpacks what it really takes to challenge the status quo and build new home communities that enhance people’s lives while practicing environmental sustainability.</p> <p>In this conversation we cover the following topics:</p> <ul> <li>The origins of Serenbe and its biophilic design principles</li> <li>How thoughtful land use planning can create long term value while combating sprawl</li> <li>Why many of society’s biggest health and social issues trace back to how (and where) we live</li> <li>What developers, planners, and everyday citizens can do to create better places — starting in their own backyard</li> </ul> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-actionbox us_custom_eee5d1a8 has_text_color color_primary controls_right"><div class="w-actionbox-text"><div class="w-actionbox-description"><p><em>&#8220;I many times say our our zoning has been so sanitized over these last decades that it&#8217;s taken the vitality out of where we live&#8230;[At Serenbe] we have the  single family house across from attached houses (townhouses) and then catty corner from that are our live-works&#8230;.And then next to that on the on the forth quadrant of the intersection is a purely commercial building, our restaurant, the Glide Daisy. This was a very common mix of uses pre 1930, yet it&#8217;s very difficult to find any zoning laws that allow that kind of interaction.&#8221;</em></p> <p><strong>– Steve on the importance of mixed-use zoning</strong></p> </div></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>Photos of Serenbe</h3> <p>Photo credit: Gregg Logan</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-slider style_none fit_cover"><div class="w-slider-h"><div class="royalSlider"><div class="rsContent"><a class="rsImg" data-rsw="1024" data-rsh="1024" href="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/plugins/us-core/assets/images/placeholder.svg"><span data-alt=""></span></a><div class="rsABlock" data-fadeEffect="false" data-moveEffect="none"><div class="w-slider-item-title">Title</div></div></div><div class="rsContent"><a class="rsImg" data-rsw="1024" data-rsh="1024" href="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/plugins/us-core/assets/images/placeholder.svg"><span data-alt=""></span></a><div class="rsABlock" data-fadeEffect="false" data-moveEffect="none"><div class="w-slider-item-title">Title</div></div></div><div class="rsContent"><a class="rsImg" data-rsw="1024" data-rsh="1024" href="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/plugins/us-core/assets/images/placeholder.svg"><span data-alt=""></span></a><div class="rsABlock" data-fadeEffect="false" data-moveEffect="none"><div class="w-slider-item-title">Title</div></div></div></div><img src="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/plugins/us-core/assets/images/placeholder.svg" width="1024" height="1024" alt loading="lazy"></div><div class="w-slider-json" onclick='return {&quot;autoScaleSlider&quot;:true,&quot;loop&quot;:true,&quot;fadeInLoadedSlide&quot;:false,&quot;slidesSpacing&quot;:0,&quot;imageScalePadding&quot;:0,&quot;numImagesToPreload&quot;:2,&quot;arrowsNav&quot;:true,&quot;arrowsNavAutoHide&quot;:false,&quot;transitionType&quot;:&quot;move&quot;,&quot;transitionSpeed&quot;:250,&quot;block&quot;:{&quot;moveEffect&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;speed&quot;:300},&quot;thumbs&quot;:{&quot;fitInViewport&quot;:false},&quot;controlNavigation&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:{&quot;enabled&quot;:true},&quot;imageScaleMode&quot;:&quot;fill&quot;,&quot;autoScaleSliderWidth&quot;:&quot;1024&quot;,&quot;autoScaleSliderHeight&quot;:&quot;1024&quot;}'></div></div><div class="w-separator size_medium with_line width_default thick_2 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Steve Nygren</h3> <p><strong>Founder and CEO, Serenbe</strong></p> <p>Steve Nygren is the Founder and CEO of Serenbe, a wellness community created as a model to demonstrate that preserving green space interlaced with agriculture, housing and retail is not only economically viable, but the future of community wellbeing. He is also a Partner at Nygren Placemaking consulting and a serial hospitality entrepreneur. Steve led the effort to create the Chattahoochee Hill Country Alliance bringing together landowners, developers, and conservationists for a mutually agreed upon solution for balanced growth across 40,000 acres. This effort resulted in a historic Georgia land use plan adopted to preserve 70% of the acreage on the edge of Atlanta while providing 20% more housing than traditional yield of suburban sprawl. His work has earned him the 2025 MLK Jr. Beloved Community Environmental Justice Award for his commitment to sustainability, equity, and environmental stewardship, reflecting Dr. King’s vision, in addition to the Global Wellness Institute’s Leader in Innovation Award and Southface’s Argon Award as well as recognition from the Urban Land Institute and the Atlanta Regional Commission. He was also named Georgia Trend’s Most Respected Business Leader for 2019. Steve currently serves on multiple local and national boards dealing with children, agriculture and environmental issues including The Ray C. Anderson Foundation, Children &amp; Nature Network, Chattahoochee Now and The Biophilic Institute. Steve releases his first book, <a href="https://url.us.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/xI2FCwpxRDcL7pN0iqhOsJmzNs?domain=amazon.com"><em>Start in Your Own Backyard: Transforming Where We Live with Radical Common Sense</em></a>, describing his journey in creating Serenbe and the steps readers can take to take action in their own communities in the fall of 2025.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small with_line width_default thick_1 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Gregg Logan</h3> <p><strong>Managing Director, RCLCO</strong></p> <p><a href="https://www.rclco.com/leadership/gregg-logan/">Gregg Logan</a> is a Managing Director at RCLCO, with over 40 years of experience in the industry. His expertise spans residential and commercial real estate, with particular expertise on mixed-use developments and master planned communities that incorporate residential, retail, office, industrial and distribution space.</p> <p>Gregg acts as a Project Director overseeing and providing expert input to RCLCO real estate consulting assignments, both domestically and internationally. He has managed RCLCO consulting assignments across the United States and internationally, particularly in South and Central American and the Caribbean.</p> </div></div></div></div></div><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-4 vc_col-md-4 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></div></div></div></div></div></section><section class="l-section wpb_row us_custom_c70c97eb height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>Related Articles</h2> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-grid type_carousel layout_131202 cols_3 overflow_hidden" id="us_grid_1" style="--gap:1rem;"><style>.layout_131202 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Best Minds: Randall Zisler
SEP 23, 2025
Best Minds: Randall Zisler
<p><section class="l-section wpb_row height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-8 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h1>Best Minds: Randall Zisler</h1> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-image align_none"><div class="w-image-h"><img width="1024" height="412" src="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E49-Randy-Zisler-1024x412.webp" class="attachment-large size-large" alt="" loading="lazy" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E49-Randy-Zisler-1024x412.webp 1024w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E49-Randy-Zisler-300x121.webp 300w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Best-Minds-E49-Randy-Zisler-600x241.webp 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column us_custom_4e55af8d has_text_color"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p><b>September 23, 2025</b></p> </div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p>By <a href="/leadership/taylor-mammen/"><u>Taylor Mammen, CEO, RCLCO Fund Advisors</u></a></p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>What are the biggest mistakes in real estate investing, and how can they be avoided?</h2> <p>In this episode of <a href="/pub_cat/podcast/"><em>Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate</em></a>, Taylor Mammen, CEO of RCLCO Fund Advisors, sits down with Randall Zisler, Ph.D., Co-Founder of Zisler Capital Associates, LLC, a research, investment banking and expert witness firm that serves global institutional investors and managers, about his new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Commercial-Real-Estate-Investing-Evidence-Based/dp/1394326378">Commercial Real Estate Investing: An Evidence-Based Approach to Risk Management, Strategic Valuation, and Enhanced Returns</a>.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-actionbox us_custom_eee5d1a8 has_text_color color_secondary controls_right"><div class="w-actionbox-text"><div class="w-actionbox-description"><p><em>“The book is about, well, let me put it this way: it&#8217;s not an attack. I think attack is the wrong word. I would call it a full frontal critique of an industry that has been slow to join the capital markets, and what I focus on [in particular] is the conspicuous inattention to risk.”</em></p> <p><strong>&#8211; Randall on what to expect from the book, and why he wrote it</strong></p> </div></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p>Randall discusses his career path through real estate and academia, detailing experiences that inspired him to write the book, including the biggest myths and mistakes he has observed over his career, what can be done to avoid them, and what can happen if they are left unchecked.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-actionbox us_custom_eee5d1a8 has_text_color color_primary controls_right"><div class="w-actionbox-text"><div class="w-actionbox-description"><p><em>“Real estate is not hermetically sealed from the political and social context in which it I immersed. And, you know, I often say that anything that occurs over the ground, on the ground, or under the ground, has a spatial dimension — and that&#8217;s real estate.”</em></p> <p><strong>– Randall on real estate’s place in, and impact on, society and our political climate</strong></p> </div></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-btn-wrapper align_center"><a class="w-btn us-btn-style_1" href="https://www.amazon.com/Commercial-Real-Estate-Investing-Evidence-Based/dp/1394326378"><span class="w-btn-label">Purchase Book</span></a></div><div class="w-separator size_medium with_line width_default thick_2 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Randall Zisler</h3> <p><strong>Co-Founder of Zisler Capital Associates, LLC</strong></p> <p><a href="https://www.zislercapital.com/about-us">Randall Zisler, Ph.D</a>., is Co-Founder of Zisler Capital Associates, LLC, a research, investment banking and expert witness firm that serves global institutional investors and managers.</p> <p>He was a Princeton University professor who taught economics, finance and planning; real estate research director at Goldman Sachs and Nomura Securities; co-head of investment banking at Jones Lang LaSalle; a partner at Pension Consulting Alliance; and CIO to Merv Griffin.</p> <p>Randy has consummated over $6 billion of transactions, written hundreds of papers and advised numerous pension funds, money managers and developers.</p> <p>He holds an undergraduate degree, two master degrees and a Ph.D. from Princeton University; he also holds a master degree in civil engineering and risk simulation.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small with_line width_default thick_1 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Taylor Mammen</h3> <p><strong>CEO, RCLCO Fund Advisors (RFA)</strong></p> <p><a href="/leadership/taylor-mammen/">Taylor Mammen</a> is Chief Executive Officer of RCLCO Fund Advisors (RFA), which advises institutional investors on all aspects of their complex real estate investment portfolios, from strategy development to underwriting and asset management. Taylor helped pioneer this business beginning in the aftermath of the Global Financial Crisis, when several prominent pension funds turned to RFA with the goal to construct better performing and more resilient real estate portfolios, and has grown it to become a highly respected institutional real estate advisor, working with some of the largest and most dynamic institutional investors in the world. In the process, Taylor and RFA have sourced, underwritten, and overseen investments on behalf of clients well in excess of $10 billion. Taylor leads the firm’s institutional investor client relationships and is responsible for the firm’s growth and development, in addition to serving on the boards of clients’ portfolio companies.</p> </div></div></div></div></div><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-4 vc_col-md-4 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></div></div></div></div></div></section><section class="l-section wpb_row us_custom_c70c97eb height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>Related Articles</h2> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-grid type_carousel layout_131202 cols_3 overflow_hidden" id="us_grid_2" style="--gap:1rem;"><div class="w-grid-list owl-carousel navstyle_circle 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Best Minds: Eric Nordness
APR 24, 2025
Best Minds: Eric Nordness
<p><section class="l-section wpb_row height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-8 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h1>Best Minds: Eric Nordness</h1> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-image align_none"><div class="w-image-h"><img width="1024" height="412" src="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Best-Minds-E47-Eric-Nordness-1024x412.webp" class="attachment-large size-large" alt="Best Minds Podcast Eric Nordness" loading="lazy" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Best-Minds-E47-Eric-Nordness-1024x412.webp 1024w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Best-Minds-E47-Eric-Nordness-300x121.webp 300w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Best-Minds-E47-Eric-Nordness-600x241.webp 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column us_custom_4e55af8d has_text_color"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p><b>April 24, 2025</b></p> </div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p>By <a href="/leadership/joshua-a-boren/"><u>Joshua Boren, Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives, RCLCO</u></a></p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>From player to coach—writing the playbook for successful sports district development</h2> <p>In this episode of <a href="/pub_cat/podcast/"><em>Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate</em></a>, RCLCO’s Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives, Joshua Boren, speaks with Eric Nordness, Managing Principal of Marquee Development. In this role, Eric has led the Rickett family’s real estate development and investment arm in its work for over a decade— including the development of Gallagher Way, a mixed-use entertainment district situated in the heart of Chicago’s Wrigleyville neighborhood.</p> <p><strong><em>“[There is a] need for us to expand our business beyond just traditional game day&#8211;we need to use these venues more than the 81 home games we have or the 10 concerts in addition to that […] and we talked about how you engage your fans earlier, and further out from your stadium. So, can we get our fans here earlier? Can we engage with them in a different way? Can we connect to our community? These assets are embedded in neighborhoods and they can be a big, loud, noisy object at times&#8211;so how do we make this about bringing our neighbors over and creating community spaces?”<br /> </em></strong>– Eric on the importance of a 365-day activated sports district</p> <p>Eric shares his career journey that brought him to Marquee, how his team is bringing the “Wrigley Field experience” to other sports districts around the country, and how sponsorships are challenging the old adage ‘you can’t create more real estate’.</p> <p><em><strong>“One executive looked at me and had a really important point for me. They said, “just remember: this is our Wrigley field.” So, as important as anything might be, we need to get this right.”<br /> </strong></em>– Eric on his experience working with clients</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_medium with_line width_default thick_2 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Eric Nordness</h3> <p><strong>Managing Principal of Marquee Development</strong></p> <p>As Managing Principal of Marquee Development, Eric has led the Ricketts family real estate development and investment business for the past nine years. With 20+ years of real estate experience, Eric excels in master planning, real estate placemaking, and hospitality development. He creatively integrates neighborhoods with hospitality assets, prioritizing inclusive processes, design, and operations. He received his undergraduate degree from University of Iowa and his graduate degree from University of Chicago.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small with_line width_default thick_1 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Joshua Boren</h3> <p><strong>Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives</strong></p> <p><a href="/leadership/joshua-a-boren/">Joshua Boren</a> is the Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives for RCLCO and works across the firm’s three lines of business to drive major efforts and undertakings both externally and internally. Specifically, Joshua specializes in leading business development, client management, marketing, and customer solutions as part of the RCLCO team. With nearly 20 years of experience, Joshua brings a particular expertise in understanding how network building and relationship management is critical to organizational success, resulting in millions of dollars of revenue generation and successful RCLCO engagements across a range of client types include institutional investors, developers, owners, operators, and the like.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small with_line width_default thick_1 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div></div></div></div><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-4 vc_col-md-4 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></div></div></div></div></div></section><section class="l-section wpb_row us_custom_c70c97eb height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div 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Best Minds: Bob Gardner
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Best Minds: Bob Gardner
<p><section class="l-section wpb_row height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-8 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h1>Best Minds: Bob Gardner</h1> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-image align_none"><div class="w-image-h"><img width="1024" height="412" src="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Best-Minds-E46-Bob-Gardner-1024x412.webp" class="attachment-large size-large" alt="Best Minds Podcast Bob Gardner" loading="lazy" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Best-Minds-E46-Bob-Gardner-1024x412.webp 1024w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Best-Minds-E46-Bob-Gardner-300x121.webp 300w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Best-Minds-E46-Bob-Gardner-600x241.webp 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column us_custom_4e55af8d has_text_color"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p><b>February 27, 2025</b></p> </div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p>By <a href="/leadership/joshua-a-boren/"><u>Joshua Boren, Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives, RCLCO</u></a></p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>How does a career in consulting inform a commitment to philanthropy?</h2> <p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.rclco.com/pub_cat/podcast/"><em>Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate</em></a>, RCLCO’s Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives, Joshua Boren, speaks with Bob Gardner, Managing Director Emeritus, about his over forty year-long career working in the urban environment, with roles spanning the private and public sectors. They discuss Bob’s journey through real estate, from working as an economist, to founding his own firm, to joining RCLCO.</p> <p><strong><em>“In order for us to be good consultants, we needed to be good people. You just can&#8217;t fool these top developers, entrepreneurs, investors</em></strong> <strong><em>—you need to be straight up, and they need to have confidence in who you are, and the firm that you represent, and equally as important, the work product that comes out&#8230;.Those are the qualities I take with me into the public work that I do.”</em></strong></p> <p><em>– Bob on what lessons he has carried from consulting to his charitable work</em></p> <p>The discussion also dives into Bob’s philanthropic work, including his long history with Community Corp. of Santa Monica —who were recently awarded the <a href="https://www.rclco.com/publication/rclco-foundation-affordable-housing-leadership-award/">2025 RCLCO Foundation Affordable Housing Leadership Award</a>—in addition to his volunteer work with Chrysalis, and contributions to ULI’s TAP program.</p> <p><strong><em>“Community Corp is working to provide housing where the private sector does not, and that has proven to be a good fit for me, and has allowed me, at this point in my career, to make a difference and touch so many lives with the work that Community Corp does. At the moment, Community Corp operates over 2,000 apartments</em></strong> <strong><em>—most of them are in Santa Monica, although our new projects are in Los Angeles. Our occupancy rate is over 98%, and it&#8217;s been a wonderful experience.”</em></strong></p> <p><em>– Bob on the work of Community Corp. of Santa Monica</em></p> <p><strong><em>“It has been one of the best experiences of my life to be able to be associated with that organization. To see somebody who had no self-image understand that they may have value, that they may have worth—and gain more enthusiasm about who they are and what they can do.”</em></strong></p> <p><em>– Bob’s experience with Chrysalis, a non-profit dedicated to changing lives through jobs. </em></p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_medium with_line width_default thick_2 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Bob Gardner</h3> <p><strong>Managing Director Emeritus </strong></p> <p>Bob has served as a Community Corporation Board member since 2005 and currently serves on its Executive Committee as Treasurer. He is a long-time Santa Monica resident and is passionate about helping address Los Angeles’ housing challenges. Bob also engages in community service as a current member of ULI/Los Angeles’ Technical Assistance Panel Committee, having chaired that committee in the past. In addition, he is a long-standing volunteer at Chrysalis in Los Angeles, a non-profit organization providing job readiness programs to individuals seeking to reconnect to the workforce and get on a path to self-sufficiency.</p> <p>As Managing Director Emeritus in RCLCO’s Los Angeles office, Bob has over 40 years of professional experience providing market and financial feasibility evaluations, and fiscal and economic assessments of commercial and residential real estate projects for both private and public sector clients. RCLCO is proud to also honor Bob’s contributions to Community Corp., and his contribution to RCLCO over more than four decades.</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small with_line width_default thick_1 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Joshua Boren</h3> <p><strong>Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives</strong></p> <p><a href="/leadership/joshua-a-boren/">Joshua Boren</a> is the Managing Director, Strategic Initiatives for RCLCO and works across the firm’s three lines of business to drive major efforts and undertakings both externally and internally. Specifically, Joshua specializes in leading business development, client management, marketing, and customer solutions as part of the RCLCO team. With nearly 20 years of experience, Joshua brings a particular expertise in understanding how network building and relationship management is critical to organizational success, resulting in millions of dollars of revenue generation and successful RCLCO engagements across a range of client types include institutional investors, developers, owners, operators, and the like.</p> </div></div></div></div></div><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-4 vc_col-md-4 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></div></div></div></div></div></section><section class="l-section wpb_row us_custom_c70c97eb height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>Related Articles</h2> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator 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Best Minds: Disrupting the Urban Doom Loop with Chris Leinberger, Co-founder & Managing Director of Places Platform, LLC
OCT 31, 2024
Best Minds: Disrupting the Urban Doom Loop with Chris Leinberger, Co-founder & Managing Director of Places Platform, LLC
<p><section class="l-section wpb_row height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-8 vc_col-md-8 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h1>Best Minds: Disrupting the Urban Doom Loop with Chris Leinberger</h1> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-image align_none"><div class="w-image-h"><img width="1024" height="412" src="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Best-Minds-E45-Chris-Leinberger-1024x412.webp" class="attachment-large size-large" alt="" loading="lazy" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Best-Minds-E45-Chris-Leinberger-1024x412.webp 1024w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Best-Minds-E45-Chris-Leinberger-300x121.webp 300w, https://www.rclco.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Best-Minds-E45-Chris-Leinberger-600x241.webp 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column us_custom_4e55af8d has_text_color"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p><b>October 31, 2024</b></p> </div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><p>By <a href="/leadership/gregg-logan/"><u>Gregg Logan, Managing Director, RCLCO</u></a></p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>How Can Cities Avoid the Urban Doom Loop?</h2> <p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.rclco.com/pub_cat/podcast/"><em>Conversations with the Best Minds in Real Estate</em></a>, RCLCO Managing Director, Gregg Logan, sits down with <a href="https://chrisleinberger.com/">Christopher B. Leinberger —</a> co-founder of Places Platform LLC and RCLCO Alumnus — to discuss <a href="https://cushwake.cld.bz/Reimagining-Cities-Disrupting-the-Urban-Doom-Loop"><em>Reimagining Cities: Disrupting the Urban Doom</em> </a><em>Loop, </em>a recently released report from Cushman and Wakefield, in collaboration with Places Platform. The report puts 15 U.S. cities under the microscope to identify the real estate portfolios cities currently <em>have</em> versus what they <em>need</em>, given how much the economy has changed post-pandemic.</p> <p><strong><em>“We&#8217;re not saying to get out of the office business; we&#8217;re just saying build up the residential…people living within 2 miles of work are far more likely to come back to work&#8211;the worst thing people have in their life is a commute, that has always been viewed as the worst aspect of modern life. Getting the workers to live closer to their work is going to shore up office occupancy as well. There are all sorts of benefits to balancing the portfolio, but it is a balancing act. It&#8217;s not going all the way towards residential.”<br /> </em></strong></p> <p>– Chris on the continuing role of office in a healthy urban real estate portfolio.</p> <p>One of the key findings of the study is that the real estate mix in many cities is no longer ideal for them to thrive: specifically, the study finds downtown real estate portfolios are too heavily weighted toward office space which is especially problematic in today’s economy. Chris and Gregg discuss the ramifications of this finding, and the report’s proposed strategies for cities to get back on track.</p> <p><strong><em>“We have found that it&#8217;s not a public private partnership that&#8217;s needed; it&#8217;s a private public partnership. All the research we&#8217;ve done has shown that every dollar of public money yields ten to 15 dollars of private money… I&#8217;m a great believer in both definitions of the Golden Rule, and the second definition is ‘he with the gold rules.’ So, if the private sector is going to bring in $15 for every one dollar of public… you better have the private sector take the lead.”</em></strong></p> <p>– Chris on the importance of the private sector when revitalizing downtowns</p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small with_line width_default thick_1 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Chris Leinberger</h3> <p><strong>Co-Founding Partner and Managing Director Places Platform, LLC; Founding Partner of Arcadia Land Company.<br /> </strong><br /> <a href="https://chrisleinberger.com/">Chris Leinberger</a> is a land use strategist, proptech start-up co-founder, real estate developer, professor, researcher and author. He balances business realities with social and environmental issues. Leinberger was voted one of the <a href="https://www.planetizen.com/features/95189-100-most-influential-urbanists">“The 100 Most Influential Urbanists”</a> of all time in a poll conducted by Planetizen in 2017.</p> <p>Mr. Leinberger received a Bachelor of Arts degree from <a href="https://www.swarthmore.edu/"><strong>Swarthmore College</strong></a>, where he double majored in Political Science and Urban Sociology, and received an MBA from the <a href="https://www.hbs.edu/about/Pages/default.aspx"><strong>Harvard</strong> <strong>Business School</strong></a>, concentrating in corporate strategic planning.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small with_line width_default thick_1 style_solid color_border align_center"><div class="w-separator-h"></div></div><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h3>About Gregg Logan</h3> <p><strong>Managing Director, RCLCO</strong></p> <p><a href="/leadership/gregg-logan">Gregg Logan</a> is a Managing Director at RCLCO, with over 40 years of experience in the industry. His expertise spans residential and commercial real estate, with particular expertise on mixed-use developments and master planned communities that incorporate residential, retail, office, industrial and distribution space.</p> <p>In addition to his work with RCLCO, Gregg previously worked with a real estate developer as well as served as an adjunct faculty member at several colleges and universities, where he taught courses in Real Estate Development Methods and Real Estate Economics. Gregg’s expertise has been recognized in numerous publications where he has been quoted, and he has been a speaker at many national and regional conferences. Gregg is a graduate of UCLA.</p> </div></div></div></div></div><div class="vc_col-sm-12 vc_col-lg-4 vc_col-md-4 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></div></div></div></div></div></section><section class="l-section wpb_row us_custom_c70c97eb height_custom"><div class="l-section-h i-cf"><div class="g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default"><div class="vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="wpb_text_column"><div class="wpb_wrapper"></p> <h2>Related Articles</h2> <p> </div></div><div class="w-separator size_small"></div><div class="w-grid type_carousel layout_131202 cols_3 overflow_hidden" id="us_grid_5" style="--gap:1rem;"><div class="w-grid-list owl-carousel navstyle_circle navpos_outside" style="--arrows-size:1.8rem;"> <article class="w-grid-item post-137397 publication type-publication status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry tag-taylor-mammen 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