Jennifer Doleac and Kathryn Paige Harden have a conversation about their new books, both about crime and punishment. Jen’s book: The Science of Second Chances: A Revolution in Criminal Justice. Paige’s book: Original Sin: On the Genetics of Vice, the Problem of Blame, and the Future of Forgiveness. Jennifer Doleac is the Executive Vice President of Criminal Justice at Arnold Ventures. Paige Harden is a Professor of Psychology at the University of Texas at Austin.