In this episode of Money Unmasked, Jonathan sits down with Amity Paye — VP of Narrative Change at Liberation Ventures, the accelerator for the Black-led movement for racial repair and reparations in the United States — for the season's most expansive, systems-level conversation.
If this season has been about getting honest with what we're really pursuing when we pursue money, this episode zooms out to ask a bigger question: what would it mean for a whole society to pursue repair?
Amity brings her background as a journalist, labor organizer, racial justice communicator, and narrative strategist to break down what reparations actually means — far beyond the "just cut the check" framing that dominates the public conversation. She shares the international framework for reparations, the latest data on what's been distributed and where the movement stands, and what it means to build a genuine culture of repair.
Together, Jonathan and Amity explore:
What reparations actually includes beyond monetary payments
The four components of reparations under international definitions
What $41 million distributed tells us — and doesn't tell us — about progress
How narrative change is as central to repair as policy change
What the racial wealth gap looks like and why reparations may be the only effective way to close it
What a "culture of repair" actually looks like in everyday life
How storytelling shapes what people believe is possible — and impossible
The connection between individual money stories and collective money systems
This is the episode that ties everything together — personal, relational, systemic, and historical. It belongs on your most important playlist.
Connect with Amity Paye:
LiberationVentures.org
Resources Mention in the Show (If you purchase any of the books below I get a small commission):
LiberationVentures.org
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