Insider Interviews: Media and Marketing Pros
Insider Interviews: Media and Marketing Pros

Insider Interviews: Media and Marketing Pros

E.B. Moss

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Media, Marketing, Advertising and Entertainment executives give an insider’s view of the business of the industry. Compelling conversations on creating TV, advertising, audio, research and more, with host, E.B. Moss.

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The Distillation of Data: Alembic’s Causal AI Solution
MAY 27, 2026
The Distillation of Data: Alembic’s Causal AI Solution
Host E.B. Moss brought on the new GM of Alembic, Hitesh Wadhwani, during the POSSIBLE Conference in Miami, as part of a mini-series for "Insider Interviews" called “POV: Possible.” Because, as Wadhwani explains, with causal AI it's now possible for marketers to prove what actually drove business results. Wadhwani arrived at Alembic from 12 years at Google, where he helped build measurement products including Google Meridian. He explains why having more marketing data does not necessarily create more confidence — and why traditional approaches still leave CMOs and CFOs asking the same question: what actually caused the outcome? Wadhwani makes the case that LLMs were designed to predict language, not deliver the kind of precision needed for multimillion-dollar budgeting and pricing decisions. Alembic's answer is causal AI: a real-time model of the business that connects marketing channels, pricing, promotions, inventory, and more to identify not just what happened, but what caused it. He shares a standout case study involving a major airline's Olympic campaign spend. Alembic's model identified, at moment-level granularity, that the placement of the brand's logo during the medal ceremony drove more flights to Paris than any other single moment in the campaign — the kind of insight that makes causal AI feel a lot less like a buzzword and a lot more like a business tool. One of the biggest ideas in the episode is how causal AI can help close the gap between marketing and finance. Instead of separate teams using separate metrics, Alembic puts brand, performance, and measurement into one framework that gives CMOs and CFOs a shared language for decision-making. That includes getting better vision in to how to exactly measure creator and influencer marketing. Learn how Alembic's model works, and what's next for the company with NVIDIA as a compute partner. Subscribe for more Insider Interviews and share this one with the measurement skeptic on your team.
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When Bots Come Knocking, Human Answers: POV with Jay Benach
MAY 19, 2026
When Bots Come Knocking, Human Answers: POV with Jay Benach
What if the biggest problem in digital advertising isn’t whether ads are working… but whether anyone seeing them is actually human? Insider Interviews host E.B. Moss talks with Jay Benach, GM of Media Security at Human, about bots, fake traffic, AI crawlers, ad fraud, and the increasingly blurry line between human behavior and automated activity online. Human, formerly known as "Bot or Not" then "White Ops" (which explains a lot of what they do) helps brands distinguish between real people, useful bots, and malicious automation impacting their business. Benach explains how the company evolved from identifying fraudulent browser sessions to helping marketers understand a much more complicated ecosystem of humans, AI agents, shopping bots, scrapers, and crawlers. The conversation explores why “viewable” doesn’t necessarily mean “human,” how bots were engineered to satisfy traditional ad measurement standards, and why marketers now face a new challenge: determining not just whether traffic is automated, but who sent it and what it’s trying to accomplish. Benach also discusses: • Sniping bots that manipulate shopping cart and retargeting data • Competitor-driven click activity that drains paid search budgets • The explosion of LLM crawlers feeding AI systems • Why some bots may actually represent valuable purchase intent • How advertising inside LLM conversations could reshape digital marketing As Benach explains, the question is no longer simply “Is this a bot?” It’s “Who sent it, and what does it want?” If you're a marketer, learn how to answer that question in this episode, captured at #Possible2026. Key Moments: 0:00:59 — Jay Benach, GM of Media Security at Human: From Bot or Not to Human — the origin story behind the name 0:02:47 — Jay's gaming industry backstory — and the suspicious audiences that led him here 0:04:59 — How the conversation around bots has fundamentally shifted in 12 years 0:06:21 — Good bots, bad bots, and the marionette pulling the strings 0:09:23 — Why LLMs have caused an explosion of bot activity across the web 0:09:32 — Jay's take on advertising inside LLMs — and why it might be the most precise ad buy yet 0:12:01 — Pitch Me, Pinch Me: "Do you want to know if you're being robbed?" 0:13:16 — Viewable doesn't mean human: How bots learned to game the system 0:17:41 — When you filter out fraud, costs go up — and why that's actually good news 0:18:30 — Sniping bots, budget-draining clicks, and the threats hiding in your e-commerce metrics 0:22:30 — The Human Side: Serving the good bots — and the vertical learning curve for marketers
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What Counts: The VAB on Streaming, Attention, and the Numbers That Actually Matter
MAY 13, 2026
What Counts: The VAB on Streaming, Attention, and the Numbers That Actually Matter
Jason Wiese, EVP of Insights and Measurement at the VAB, might make you rethink your entire approach to media planning, buckle your seatbelt around AI, and race to embrace premium video. Wiese produces 50 to 60 research and insight pieces a year, and does not, in his own words, "deal in NON-hard numbers." Consider yourself warned. And informed. Host E.B. Moss gets Wiese to dish in a fast and fact-filled conversation captured during #possible2026 for Insider Interviews on how ad-supported streaming has won and how to see through the Illusions of the Internet. Example: #DYK: 95% of CTV viewers see ads on their home screen before they even choose what to watch, and more than half of new streaming subscriptions are to ad-supported tiers?! Fifty-one percent of internet traffic is non-human. Thirty-seven percent is malicious bots. Global ad fraud hit $111 billion last year — about 22% of total digital ad spend — projected to reach $172 billion by 2028. BUT - the good news is real too. Premium video remains the industry's most transparent, brand-safe environment, and Wiese walks through the VAB's five-pillar definition to cut through how loosely the term gets used. On what separates a valuable impression from a wasted one: "A bad ad environment can devalue a brand. It's not even a flat-line thing. It devalues a brand." He rounds it out with a clear-eyed take on AI in media planning, being useful if planners understand its inherent bias toward digital platforms before trusting any AI-generated allocation. And, if you want to see how good ad environments hold up in practice, the recent Insider Interviews episode with Atmosphere has some eye-opening eye-tracking data worth a look. Share this with someone who's still flying blind on digital metrics. And subscribe so you don't miss the remaining POV: Possible episodes. Non-bot likes and comments are especially welcomed.
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POV: Possible! Media & Marketing Working Together Is Cool
MAY 5, 2026
POV: Possible! Media & Marketing Working Together Is Cool
<div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <h3 class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">If you&#8217;ve ever felt like your marketing stack is more of a marketing pile, like siloed channels, disconnected metrics, and a different agency for every platform, this conversation with Zack Dugow is for you.</h3> </div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>At the fourth annual POSSIBLE Conference in Miami I built a mini-series of four <em>Insider Interviews</em> episodes I&#8217;m calling &#8220;POV: Possible,&#8221; kicking off with Zack , the founder and CEO of <a href="https://cool.co/">The Cool Company</a>. (Yes, that&#8217;s the actual name. BUT, COOL is actually an acronym — more on that in the episode.)</strong></p> </div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <p><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1964 size-medium alignleft" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Pitch-me-screen-grab-300x182.jpg" alt="Zack participates in the &#34;Pitch Me. Pinch Me.&#34; segment on Insider Interviews" width="300" height="182" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Pitch-me-screen-grab-300x182.jpg 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Pitch-me-screen-grab-1024x621.jpg 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Pitch-me-screen-grab-768x466.jpg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Pitch-me-screen-grab-1536x931.jpg 1536w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Pitch-me-screen-grab-2048x1242.jpg 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">What is truly cool is that this company is based on four acquired ad tech companies, integrated into a single AI-powered platform: They build your ad creative, buy your media across every channel, and continuously optimize for business goals or outcomes. No siloes. One system, one goal, one cool company. And, Zack illustrates the how and why in my segment called, &#8220;Pitch Me. Pinch Me.&#8221;</p> </div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Spoiler alert (unless you were at Possible and saw it from SalientMG&#8217;s Innovation Stage!): Zack sharesa a compelling case study from National Veterinary Associates where his team ran a head-to-head test against a human media trading team.  Same budget, same time period. The result?</p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">289% more phone calls and appointments. The reason? While a skilled human team might make 70 campaign changes in a week, theri CoolAI made over 8,600 in two weeks. <img decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-1961" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/IMG_8979-1-256x300.jpeg" alt="Innovation Stage at Possible with Zack Dugow and National Veterinary Assoc. Case Study" width="319" height="374" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/IMG_8979-1-256x300.jpeg 256w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/IMG_8979-1-872x1024.jpeg 872w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/IMG_8979-1-768x901.jpeg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/IMG_8979-1-1309x1536.jpeg 1309w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/IMG_8979-1-1745x2048.jpeg 1745w" sizes="(max-width: 319px) 100vw, 319px" /></p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">As Zack put it:</p> <blockquote> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><em>&#8220;What human is gonna log in, take 20 minutes to make a change that improves something one one-thousandth of a percent? But</em> <em>micro-gains compound fast.&#8221;</em></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">More human side? You&#8217;ll learn about his dog, Barry (listen why he&#8217;s named that!), and Zack&#8217;s appreciation for Padel (pah-DEL?!)</p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><img decoding="async" class="alignleft wp-image-1959" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Buddy-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="229" height="305" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Buddy-225x300.jpg 225w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Buddy-768x1024.jpg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Buddy.jpg 1086w" sizes="(max-width: 229px) 100vw, 229px" />But, we also got into the measurement mess that&#8217;s plaguing the human industry right now. Zack&#8217;s universal advice? Always ask how your attribution is actually being calculated, and sanity-check it against your own internal numbers. &#8220;Ultimately, at the end of the day, you should be looking at your own internal business metrics. If you&#8217;re a restaurant, it&#8217;s like, how many entrees did I sell?&#8221;</p> </div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">And when it comes to AI being overhyped? Zack, of course, doesn&#8217;t think so. But he does think we&#8217;re just now crossing from &#8220;faster and cheaper&#8221; into &#8220;actually better.&#8221; Proof point? He makes the case that the beauty of automation is its range: the same platform that optimizes campaigns for a national airline can do the same for a local car wash, with no ad expertise required.</p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The playing field is leveling, and the implications for marketers at every scale are hard to ignore.</p> </div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"></div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Key Moments</strong></p> </div> </div> <div> <div class="standard-markdown grid-cols-1 grid [&#38;_&#62;_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:01:25 — What the Cool Company actually does under one AI platform </strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:03:49 — What COOL stands for: More than a name; a philosophy.</strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:06:08 — The Proof Point: A case study that pit AI-driven campaign management against a human trading team</strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:07:04 — Why micro-optimizations at AI scale compounds gains humans can&#8217;t replicate </strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:09:00 — Attribution truth talk  </strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:10:19 — The Channel Budget Trap: Why siloing budgets by platform (TikTok, search, display) limits performance vs unified goal-setting</strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:11:13— The Human Side: Meet Barry, Zack&#8217;s co-pilot, and the most Game of Thrones-named dog in ad tech</strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:12:49 — Is AI Overhyped? Zack&#8217;s take on where AI is in its evolution </strong></p> <p style="padding-left: 40px;"><strong>0:15:06 — AI and Jobs&#8230;and what roles will matter most.</strong></p> <h3>Connect with:</h3> <p><strong><a href="https://cool.co/">The Cool Company</a></strong></p> <p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/zackarydugow/">Zack Dugow</a></strong></p> <p><strong><a href="https://salientmg.com/">SalientMG</a></strong></p> <h3>Connect with E.B. Moss and <em>Insider Interviews: With Media &#38; Marketing Experts           </em></h3> <p><strong>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mossappeal">https://www.linkedin.com/in/mossappeal</a><br /> </strong><strong>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/insiderinterviews">https://www.instagram.com/insiderinterviews</a></strong><br /> <strong>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/InsiderInterviewsPodcast/">https://www.facebook.com/InsiderInterviewsPodcast/</a></strong><br /> <strong>Threads: <a href="https://www.threads.net/@insiderinterviews">https://www.threads.net/@insiderinterviews</a><br /> </strong></p> <h3><strong>If you enjoyed this episode, follow <em>Insider Interviews </em>on <a href="https://bit.ly/InsiderInterviews-Videos">@YouTube</a>,</strong><strong> <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/insider-interviews-media-and-marketing-pros/id1501594721">@Apple</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3IJDsC1QlFCoO4HkBP8xNQ?si=6f89b98e8e4b4f36">@Spotify</a> </strong><strong>or your favorite app, AND please share with another smart business leader, and leave a comment, a like … or a tip in my jar!: <a href="https://buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal">https://buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal</a>! </strong></h3> <p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1322 aligncenter" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-300x84.png" sizes="auto, (max-width: 275px) 100vw, 275px" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-300x84.png 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-1024x287.png 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-768x216.png 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button.png 1090w" alt="Support this content at buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal " width="275" height="77" /></p> </div> </div>
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How TV is Winning Attention in the IRL Atmosphere
APR 21, 2026
How TV is Winning Attention in the IRL Atmosphere
<h3 class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">You know those screens at a bar or gym that catch your eye and actually make you pay attention in a noisy environment? Chances are you&#8217;ve seen Atmosphere TV. So, I spoke with the company&#8217;s Chief Revenue Officer, Ryan Spicer, to find out how they&#8217;re managing to capture and confirm attention, and why it&#8217;s one of the most interesting ad-supported media plays happening right now.</h3> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Ryan came up through Viacom and Turner, but his real origin story starts on a soccer pitch. (Yes, I asked him about going from <em>the pitch to the TV pitch</em> — and yes, he&#8217;s stealing that line.) But apropos to our conversation he walked away from established media for a startup bet on a simple but brilliant insight: nobody ever walked into a bar and asked them to put on a muted episode of <em>Law &#38; Order</em>. Atmosphere was built to fix that.</strong></p> <p><strong><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1950 alignleft" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/channels-beauty-copy-300x166.png" alt="" width="384" height="212" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/channels-beauty-copy-300x166.png 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/channels-beauty-copy.png 482w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 384px) 100vw, 384px" /></strong></p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>We get into the full value proposition of &#8220;TV for your eyes, not for your ears” that&#8217;s made in three-minute, visually arresting loops across 30 channels.</strong></p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>He scored a win in my first &#8220;Pitch Me. Pinch Me.&#8221; segment, doing a great job explaining how they&#8217;re capturing 10 million viewers a night in their built for OFF-the-couch moments.</strong></p> <p><strong><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-1952" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/pitchme-grab-300x177.jpg" alt="" width="451" height="266" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/pitchme-grab-300x177.jpg 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/pitchme-grab-1024x604.jpg 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/pitchme-grab-768x453.jpg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/pitchme-grab-1536x906.jpg 1536w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/pitchme-grab-2048x1209.jpg 2048w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 451px) 100vw, 451px" /></strong></p> <p><strong>His &#8220;pitch&#8221; was backed up by <a href="https://advertise.atmosphere.tv/the-advantage-of-atmosphere-tv">Media Science</a> that did an eye-tracking study to deliver proof points. I was intrigued enough by that to put them in an article I wrote recently for <a href="https://www.mediavillage.com/article/the-big-world-of-screens-demands-bigger-thinking/">MediaVillage</a>.</strong></p> <p><strong><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1948 alignright" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/MediaVillage-cover-288x300.png" alt="Article featuring Atmosphere TV and MediaScience" width="366" height="381" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/MediaVillage-cover-288x300.png 288w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/MediaVillage-cover-983x1024.png 983w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/MediaVillage-cover-768x800.png 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/MediaVillage-cover.png 1148w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 366px) 100vw, 366px" /></strong></p> <p><strong>You&#8217;ll learn how their targeting capability can geo-fence an ad to within seven miles of a retail location, and why their timing. Hint: Ryan explains this era as <em>The Great Reconnection, </em>with people actively seeking out more in-person experiences after years of heads-down, hyper-personalized digital isolation.</strong></p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Ryan also gives brands some real, practical advice on creative — what works, what works <em>better</em>, and why the bucket debate (<em>is this CTV? is this OOH?</em>) is the wrong conversation entirely.</strong></p> <p><strong>It&#8217;s an upbeat 30-minutes that even explains Ryan&#8217;s appreciation for Turkish food. But another reason to listen? You might get the Insider&#8217;s scoop on their next strategic move. (Okay, it has to do with why Atmosphere is a natural fit within retail media networks since they&#8217;re reaching consumers who are already out and already deciding, not just browsing from the couch.)</strong></p> <h3 class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Key Moments:</h3> <p><strong>00:00 – From the pitch to the TV pitch</strong></p> <p><strong>00:27 – What is Atmosphere TV? CTV IRL explained</strong></p> <p><strong>02:38 – 60,000 bars, restaurants, and gyms can’t be wrong</strong></p> <p><strong>03:06 – Ryan&#8217;s origin story: from pro soccer to chasing a feeling</strong></p> <p><strong>09:02 – Debut of the &#8220;Pitch Me. Pinch Me.&#8221; segment</strong></p> <p><strong>10:06 – The founding insight: nobody asked a bar to show a muted Law &#38; Order</strong></p> <p><strong>12:00 – Geo-targeting within 7 miles of a retail location</strong></p> <p><strong>12:57 – The Great Reconnection: why people are seeking out in-person experiences</strong></p> <p><strong>15:00 – Channels built for off-the-couch environments</strong></p> <p><strong>15:45 – Proof of concept: why distracted bar crowds are actually watching and MediaScience results</strong></p> <p><strong>17:43 – Creative advice: what works and what works better</strong></p> <p><strong>21:10 – Measurement: foot traffic, receipt data, ROAS and case studies</strong></p> <p><strong>24:25 – The bucket debate: stop asking if it&#8217;s CTV or OOH</strong></p> <p><strong>25:30 –Atmosphere&#8217;s next strategic move</strong></p> <p><strong>29:29 – Best coaching advice for work or team work</strong></p> <h3>Connect with Ryan Spicer and <a href="https://www.atmosphere.tv/">Atmosphere TV</a></h3> <p><strong>LinkedIn: h<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-spicer-8189b43/">ttps://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-spicer-8189b43/</a></strong></p> <p><strong>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/atmospheretv/">https://www.instagram.com/atmospheretv/</a></strong></p> <h3>Connect with E.B. Moss and <em>Insider Interviews: With Media &#38; Marketing Experts           </em></h3> <p><strong>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mossappeal">https://www.linkedin.com/in/mossappeal</a><br /> </strong><strong>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/insiderinterviews">https://www.instagram.com/insiderinterviews</a></strong><br /> <strong>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/InsiderInterviewsPodcast/">https://www.facebook.com/InsiderInterviewsPodcast/</a></strong><br /> <strong>Threads: <a href="https://www.threads.net/@insiderinterviews">https://www.threads.net/@insiderinterviews</a><br /> </strong></p> <h3><strong>If you enjoyed this episode, follow <em>Insider Interviews</em>, share with another smart business leader, and leave a comment on @Apple or @Spotify… or a tip in my jar!: <a href="https://buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal">https://buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal</a>! </strong></h3> <p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-1322 aligncenter" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-300x84.png" sizes="auto, (max-width: 275px) 100vw, 275px" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-300x84.png 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-1024x287.png 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-768x216.png 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button.png 1090w" alt="Support this content at buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal " width="275" height="77" /></p>
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15 MIN