<description>&lt;h3 data-start="550" data-end="699"&gt;A couple of years ago, I recorded &lt;a href="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/2024/01/23/the-news-on-news-and-smarter-marketing/"&gt;an episode with&lt;/a&gt; Marketing Architects&amp;#8217; tech and marketing leads in a hotel room at CES. Three people. One bed. Good content… questionable ergonomics.&lt;/h3&gt; &lt;h3 data-start="701" data-end="962"&gt;Fast forward to now: better audio setups, better posture, and an even clearer picture of why &lt;a href="https://www.marketingarchitects.com/about-us"&gt;Marketing Architects&lt;/a&gt; has built such a strong reputation as an &lt;em data-start="856" data-end="871"&gt;all-inclusive&lt;/em&gt; agency—one that genuinely challenges how TV has always been planned, bought, and measured.&lt;/h3&gt; &lt;p data-start="964" data-end="1481"&gt;Aaron Lange, now CTO, helped build Marketing Architects from the ground up to operate differently. Instead of carving up responsibilities across multiple vendors, they do it all—analytics, creative, media buying, and measurement—inside one connected system.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;p data-start="964" data-end="1481"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em data-start="1230" data-end="1365"&gt;“All inclusive for us means we do everything for our brands—from analytics and creative to media buying and attribution measurement.” &lt;/em&gt;&amp;#8212; Aaron Lange&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p data-start="964" data-end="1481"&gt;The goal isn’t control for control’s sake; it’s accountability, speed, and performance you can actually learn from.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p data-start="1483" data-end="1856"&gt;That philosophy led directly to &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Annika&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, their proprietary AI-powered buying platform. Aaron described Annika not as software, but almost as a living system:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;p data-start="1483" data-end="1856"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em data-start="1640" data-end="1759"&gt;“She’s making decisions every 15 minutes based on traffic spikes, orders, or anything else that we want to feed her.”&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;figure id="attachment_1860" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1860" style="width: 442px" class="wp-caption alignleft"&gt;&lt;img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-1860" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-300x148.jpg" alt="" width="442" height="218" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-300x148.jpg 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-1024x506.jpg 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-768x379.jpg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika.jpg 1091w" sizes="(max-width: 442px) 100vw, 442px" /&gt;&lt;figcaption id="caption-attachment-1860" class="wp-caption-text"&gt;Annika &amp;#8211; from Marketing Architects&lt;/figcaption&gt;&lt;/figure&gt; &lt;p data-start="1483" data-end="1856"&gt;That feedback loop—test, learn, optimize, repeat—is core to how they invest media dollars today.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p data-start="1858" data-end="2226"&gt;Nikki Erkkila, VP of Media Partnerships, brings that technology into the real world, working closely with broadcasters, streamers, and platform partners. What stood out to me is how grounded her perspective is (perhaps due to her 20-years of yoga practice after work!), especially in an era obsessed with automation. Despite all the tech, she reminded me that &lt;em data-start="2159" data-end="2224"&gt;“partnerships and relationships are really the baseline of it.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p data-start="1441" data-end="1719"&gt;Nikki described today&amp;#8217;s media environment this way:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;p data-start="1441" data-end="1719"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em data-start="1464" data-end="1717"&gt;“TV is just TV now. We’re really breaking down those silos from &amp;#8216;we’re just watching broadcast, or we’re just watching cable, or we’re just watching streaming&amp;#8217; when you’re watching television now.” &lt;/em&gt;&amp;#8212; Nikki Erkkila&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p data-start="1726" data-end="1893"&gt;That perspective drives how Marketing Architects plans TV advertising, too: across streaming, national, local, linear—it’s one ecosystem. Audiences don’t think in silos, so media plans shouldn’t either, or compete for budget. &lt;img decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-1861" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-300x148.jpg" alt="" width="393" height="194" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-300x148.jpg 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-1024x506.jpg 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-768x379.jpg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv.jpg 1091w" sizes="(max-width: 393px) 100vw, 393px" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p data-start="312" data-end="830"&gt;We also talk about how AI is changing creative development, especially by speeding things up. Testing happens faster, creative can be adjusted more easily, and messaging can be more localized without losing the emotional storytelling that makes TV effective in the first place. I liked that Marketing Architects’ creative team calls itself &lt;strong data-start="647" data-end="672"&gt;“creative engineers,”&lt;/strong&gt; because it signals that they know when AI helps, and when human judgment matters more. Seems Nikki and Aaron do too.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p data-start="832" data-end="1275"&gt;Our sports talk is timely too (beyond Aaron explaining his passion for volleyball.) With the Super Bowl and Olympics upon us, live sports are a huge reminder of why TV still matters—big moments, shared viewing, real attention. But how people watch those moments now is fragmented, fluid, and often platform-agnostic. So, one of the big takeaways here is that planning has to reflect that reality, instead of forcing audiences into outdated buckets.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p data-start="1277" data-end="1578"&gt;If you’re an advertiser, an agency leader, or anyone trying to make TV work harder, this episode offers practical ideas on how to think about TV as one ecosystem, how to let performance guide decisions without stripping out emotion, and how to build systems that can adapt as viewing habits shift.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;h4 data-start="1580" data-end="1726"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Key Moments:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/h4&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;li data-start="5729" data-end="5820"&gt; &lt;p data-start="5731" data-end="5820"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="5731" data-end="5743"&gt;00:02:09&lt;/strong&gt; – Why Marketing Architects was built to challenge how TV was “always done”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="5821" data-end="5880"&gt; &lt;p data-start="5823" data-end="5880"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="5823" data-end="5835"&gt;00:02:33&lt;/strong&gt; – What “all-inclusive agency” really means&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="5881" data-end="5955"&gt; &lt;p data-start="5883" data-end="5955"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="5883" data-end="5895"&gt;00:04:03&lt;/strong&gt; – Nikki introduces Annika and real-time media decisioning&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="5956" data-end="6019"&gt; &lt;p data-start="5958" data-end="6019"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="5958" data-end="5970"&gt;00:05:40&lt;/strong&gt; – Aaron on why Annika updates every 15 minutes&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6020" data-end="6090"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6022" data-end="6090"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6022" data-end="6034"&gt;00:06:21&lt;/strong&gt; – Aaron’s entrepreneurial background and tech mindset&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6091" data-end="6169"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6093" data-end="6169"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6093" data-end="6105"&gt;00:08:19&lt;/strong&gt; – Why relationships still matter in modern media partnerships&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6170" data-end="6245"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6172" data-end="6245"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6172" data-end="6184"&gt;00:09:19&lt;/strong&gt; – “TV is TV now”: breaking down linear vs. streaming silos&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6246" data-end="6312"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6248" data-end="6312"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6248" data-end="6260"&gt;00:11:38&lt;/strong&gt; – How AI is being used across every business unit&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6313" data-end="6378"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6315" data-end="6378"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6315" data-end="6327"&gt;00:14:12&lt;/strong&gt; – Creative Engineers and faster creative testing&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6379" data-end="6445"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6381" data-end="6445"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6381" data-end="6393"&gt;00:15:26&lt;/strong&gt; – The performance-first budgeting model explained&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6446" data-end="6521"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6448" data-end="6521"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6448" data-end="6460"&gt;00:21:37&lt;/strong&gt; – Live sports, new platforms, and shifting viewer behavior&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6522" data-end="6597"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6524" data-end="6597"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6524" data-end="6536"&gt;00:25:20&lt;/strong&gt; – Emerging inventory and new opportunities for advertisers&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li data-start="6598" data-end="6666"&gt; &lt;p data-start="6600" data-end="6666"&gt;&lt;strong data-start="6600" data-end="6612"&gt;00:26:46&lt;/strong&gt; – Why TV fundamentals still work—and why that matters&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;h3&gt;Connect with:&lt;/h3&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aarontlange/"&gt;A&lt;strong&gt;aron Lange&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikki-erkkila-691a449/"&gt;Nikki Erkkila&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;h3&gt;Connect with E.B. 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Insider Interviews: Media and Marketing Pros

E.B. Moss

The Architecture Behind Better TV Advertising

FEB 5, 202614 MIN
Insider Interviews: Media and Marketing Pros

The Architecture Behind Better TV Advertising

FEB 5, 202614 MIN

Description

<h3 data-start="550" data-end="699">A couple of years ago, I recorded <a href="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/2024/01/23/the-news-on-news-and-smarter-marketing/">an episode with</a> Marketing Architects&#8217; tech and marketing leads in a hotel room at CES. Three people. One bed. Good content… questionable ergonomics.</h3> <h3 data-start="701" data-end="962">Fast forward to now: better audio setups, better posture, and an even clearer picture of why <a href="https://www.marketingarchitects.com/about-us">Marketing Architects</a> has built such a strong reputation as an <em data-start="856" data-end="871">all-inclusive</em> agency—one that genuinely challenges how TV has always been planned, bought, and measured.</h3> <p data-start="964" data-end="1481">Aaron Lange, now CTO, helped build Marketing Architects from the ground up to operate differently. Instead of carving up responsibilities across multiple vendors, they do it all—analytics, creative, media buying, and measurement—inside one connected system.</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="964" data-end="1481"><strong><em data-start="1230" data-end="1365">“All inclusive for us means we do everything for our brands—from analytics and creative to media buying and attribution measurement.” </em>&#8212; Aaron Lange</strong></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="964" data-end="1481">The goal isn’t control for control’s sake; it’s accountability, speed, and performance you can actually learn from.</p> <p data-start="1483" data-end="1856">That philosophy led directly to <em><strong>Annika</strong></em>, their proprietary AI-powered buying platform. Aaron described Annika not as software, but almost as a living system:</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="1483" data-end="1856"><strong><em data-start="1640" data-end="1759">“She’s making decisions every 15 minutes based on traffic spikes, orders, or anything else that we want to feed her.”</em> </strong></p> </blockquote> <figure id="attachment_1860" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1860" style="width: 442px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-1860" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-300x148.jpg" alt="" width="442" height="218" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-300x148.jpg 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-1024x506.jpg 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika-768x379.jpg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Annika.jpg 1091w" sizes="(max-width: 442px) 100vw, 442px" /><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1860" class="wp-caption-text">Annika &#8211; from Marketing Architects</figcaption></figure> <p data-start="1483" data-end="1856">That feedback loop—test, learn, optimize, repeat—is core to how they invest media dollars today.</p> <p data-start="1858" data-end="2226">Nikki Erkkila, VP of Media Partnerships, brings that technology into the real world, working closely with broadcasters, streamers, and platform partners. What stood out to me is how grounded her perspective is (perhaps due to her 20-years of yoga practice after work!), especially in an era obsessed with automation. Despite all the tech, she reminded me that <em data-start="2159" data-end="2224">“partnerships and relationships are really the baseline of it.”</em></p> <p data-start="1441" data-end="1719">Nikki described today&#8217;s media environment this way:</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="1441" data-end="1719"><strong><em data-start="1464" data-end="1717">“TV is just TV now. We’re really breaking down those silos from &#8216;we’re just watching broadcast, or we’re just watching cable, or we’re just watching streaming&#8217; when you’re watching television now.” </em>&#8212; Nikki Erkkila</strong></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="1726" data-end="1893">That perspective drives how Marketing Architects plans TV advertising, too: across streaming, national, local, linear—it’s one ecosystem. Audiences don’t think in silos, so media plans shouldn’t either, or compete for budget. <img decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-1861" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-300x148.jpg" alt="" width="393" height="194" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-300x148.jpg 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-1024x506.jpg 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv-768x379.jpg 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/done-with-tv.jpg 1091w" sizes="(max-width: 393px) 100vw, 393px" /></p> <p data-start="312" data-end="830">We also talk about how AI is changing creative development, especially by speeding things up. Testing happens faster, creative can be adjusted more easily, and messaging can be more localized without losing the emotional storytelling that makes TV effective in the first place. I liked that Marketing Architects’ creative team calls itself <strong data-start="647" data-end="672">“creative engineers,”</strong> because it signals that they know when AI helps, and when human judgment matters more. Seems Nikki and Aaron do too.</p> <p data-start="832" data-end="1275">Our sports talk is timely too (beyond Aaron explaining his passion for volleyball.) With the Super Bowl and Olympics upon us, live sports are a huge reminder of why TV still matters—big moments, shared viewing, real attention. But how people watch those moments now is fragmented, fluid, and often platform-agnostic. So, one of the big takeaways here is that planning has to reflect that reality, instead of forcing audiences into outdated buckets.</p> <p data-start="1277" data-end="1578">If you’re an advertiser, an agency leader, or anyone trying to make TV work harder, this episode offers practical ideas on how to think about TV as one ecosystem, how to let performance guide decisions without stripping out emotion, and how to build systems that can adapt as viewing habits shift.</p> <h4 data-start="1580" data-end="1726"><strong>Key Moments:</strong></h4> <ul> <li data-start="5729" data-end="5820"> <p data-start="5731" data-end="5820"><strong data-start="5731" data-end="5743">00:02:09</strong> – Why Marketing Architects was built to challenge how TV was “always done”</p> </li> <li data-start="5821" data-end="5880"> <p data-start="5823" data-end="5880"><strong data-start="5823" data-end="5835">00:02:33</strong> – What “all-inclusive agency” really means</p> </li> <li data-start="5881" data-end="5955"> <p data-start="5883" data-end="5955"><strong data-start="5883" data-end="5895">00:04:03</strong> – Nikki introduces Annika and real-time media decisioning</p> </li> <li data-start="5956" data-end="6019"> <p data-start="5958" data-end="6019"><strong data-start="5958" data-end="5970">00:05:40</strong> – Aaron on why Annika updates every 15 minutes</p> </li> <li data-start="6020" data-end="6090"> <p data-start="6022" data-end="6090"><strong data-start="6022" data-end="6034">00:06:21</strong> – Aaron’s entrepreneurial background and tech mindset</p> </li> <li data-start="6091" data-end="6169"> <p data-start="6093" data-end="6169"><strong data-start="6093" data-end="6105">00:08:19</strong> – Why relationships still matter in modern media partnerships</p> </li> <li data-start="6170" data-end="6245"> <p data-start="6172" data-end="6245"><strong data-start="6172" data-end="6184">00:09:19</strong> – “TV is TV now”: breaking down linear vs. streaming silos</p> </li> <li data-start="6246" data-end="6312"> <p data-start="6248" data-end="6312"><strong data-start="6248" data-end="6260">00:11:38</strong> – How AI is being used across every business unit</p> </li> <li data-start="6313" data-end="6378"> <p data-start="6315" data-end="6378"><strong data-start="6315" data-end="6327">00:14:12</strong> – Creative Engineers and faster creative testing</p> </li> <li data-start="6379" data-end="6445"> <p data-start="6381" data-end="6445"><strong data-start="6381" data-end="6393">00:15:26</strong> – The performance-first budgeting model explained</p> </li> <li data-start="6446" data-end="6521"> <p data-start="6448" data-end="6521"><strong data-start="6448" data-end="6460">00:21:37</strong> – Live sports, new platforms, and shifting viewer behavior</p> </li> <li data-start="6522" data-end="6597"> <p data-start="6524" data-end="6597"><strong data-start="6524" data-end="6536">00:25:20</strong> – Emerging inventory and new opportunities for advertisers</p> </li> <li data-start="6598" data-end="6666"> <p data-start="6600" data-end="6666"><strong data-start="6600" data-end="6612">00:26:46</strong> – Why TV fundamentals still work—and why that matters</p> </li> </ul> <h3>Connect with:</h3> <p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aarontlange/">A<strong>aron Lange</strong></a></p> <p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikki-erkkila-691a449/">Nikki Erkkila</a></strong></p> <h3>Connect with E.B. Moss and <em>Insider Interviews: With Media &#38; Marketing Experts           </em></h3> <h4><strong>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mossappeal">https://www.linkedin.com/in/mossappeal</a><br /> </strong><strong>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/insiderinterviews">https://www.instagram.com/insiderinterviews</a></strong><br /> <strong>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/InsiderInterviewsPodcast/">https://www.facebook.com/InsiderInterviewsPodcast/</a></strong><br /> <strong>Threads: <a href="https://www.threads.net/@insiderinterviews">https://www.threads.net/@insiderinterviews</a><br /> </strong></h4> <h4>Substack: <a href="https://mossappeal.substack.com/">Moss Hysteria</a></h4> <h3><strong>Please follow <em>Insider Interviews</em>, share with another smart business leader, and leave a comment on @Apple or @Spotify… or a tip in my jar!: <a href="https://buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal">https://buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal</a>!  THANK YOU for listening!</strong></h3> <p><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-1322 aligncenter" src="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-300x84.png" sizes="auto, (max-width: 275px) 100vw, 275px" srcset="https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-300x84.png 300w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-1024x287.png 1024w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button-768x216.png 768w, https://insiderinterviews.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/yellow-button.png 1090w" alt="Support this content at buymeacoffee.com/mossappeal " width="275" height="77" /></p>