What if the biggest problem in digital advertising isn’t whether ads are working… but whether anyone seeing them is actually human? Insider Interviews host E.B. Moss talks with Jay Benach, GM of Media Security at Human, about bots, fake traffic, AI crawlers, ad fraud, and the increasingly blurry line between human behavior and automated activity online. Human, formerly known as "Bot or Not" then "White Ops" (which explains a lot of what they do) helps brands distinguish between real people, useful bots, and malicious automation impacting their business. Benach explains how the company evolved from identifying fraudulent browser sessions to helping marketers understand a much more complicated ecosystem of humans, AI agents, shopping bots, scrapers, and crawlers. The conversation explores why “viewable” doesn’t necessarily mean “human,” how bots were engineered to satisfy traditional ad measurement standards, and why marketers now face a new challenge: determining not just whether traffic is automated, but who sent it and what it’s trying to accomplish. Benach also discusses: • Sniping bots that manipulate shopping cart and retargeting data • Competitor-driven click activity that drains paid search budgets • The explosion of LLM crawlers feeding AI systems • Why some bots may actually represent valuable purchase intent • How advertising inside LLM conversations could reshape digital marketing As Benach explains, the question is no longer simply “Is this a bot?” It’s “Who sent it, and what does it want?” If you're a marketer, learn how to answer that question in this episode, captured at #Possible2026. Key Moments: 0:00:59 — Jay Benach, GM of Media Security at Human: From Bot or Not to Human — the origin story behind the name 0:02:47 — Jay's gaming industry backstory — and the suspicious audiences that led him here 0:04:59 — How the conversation around bots has fundamentally shifted in 12 years 0:06:21 — Good bots, bad bots, and the marionette pulling the strings 0:09:23 — Why LLMs have caused an explosion of bot activity across the web 0:09:32 — Jay's take on advertising inside LLMs — and why it might be the most precise ad buy yet 0:12:01 — Pitch Me, Pinch Me: "Do you want to know if you're being robbed?" 0:13:16 — Viewable doesn't mean human: How bots learned to game the system 0:17:41 — When you filter out fraud, costs go up — and why that's actually good news 0:18:30 — Sniping bots, budget-draining clicks, and the threats hiding in your e-commerce metrics 0:22:30 — The Human Side: Serving the good bots — and the vertical learning curve for marketers