<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;After a long summer of counselling to recover from the sight of &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s6e5-against-the"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sean Connery’s red mankini&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;, Ed and Dougald are reunited to talk about green populism, why the world isn’t a giant Amazon store, hospicing dance music and the political language of love. (Or was that the love language of politics?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Shownotes&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What have we been up to?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ed’s been thinking about &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bystander-leadership-against-genocide-ed-gillespie-4a53e/?trackingId=5rV74zKWRbyTtmDmixH3zA%3D%3D"&gt;“bystander leadership”&lt;/a&gt;: how interventions by bystanders successfully change the course of events.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Back in May, he went &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.singingwithnightingales.co.uk/"&gt;Singing With Nightingales&lt;/a&gt; with the folk singer Sam Lee and friends.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A visit to Lambay Island – where he runs &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.pelumbra.com/writing-retreats/lambay-island"&gt;an annual writing retreat&lt;/a&gt; – prompted him to revisit &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://medium.com/@edgillespie/all-at-sea-leadership-in-perilous-times-77155090ff5f"&gt;the story of the RMS Tayleur&lt;/a&gt;, otherwise known as “the first Titanic”. One of the first iron-clad clipper ships, her compass had not been properly adjusted to take account of the effect of the iron hull.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dougald is deep in writing and currently surrounded by a pile of books about “culture”, which Raymond Williams identifies as “one of the two or three most complicated words in the English language” (&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keywords:_A_Vocabulary_of_Culture_and_Society"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Keywords: A Vocabulary of Culture and Society&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Earlier in the summer, he travelled to Italy for &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.substack.com/p/in-the-garden-of-low-studies"&gt;a gathering of the friends of Ivan Illich&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What have we been reading?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ed introduces Brian Eno and Bette A’s &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571395514-what-art-does-an-unfinished-theory/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;What Art Does: An Unfinished Theory&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dougald has also been revisiting Brian’s 1996 definition of culture as &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.moredarkthanshark.org/eno_int_w-sep96.html"&gt;“everything we don’t have to do”&lt;/a&gt; and connects this to &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://ellendissanayake.com/"&gt;Ellen Dissanayake’s books&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;What Is Art For?&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Homo Aestheticus&lt;/em&gt; which develop a fascinating evolutionary account of the centrality and origins of art within human behaviour.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ed has been reading Robert Macfarlane’s new book, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/455147/is-a-river-alive-by-macfarlane-robert/9780241624814"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Is a River Alive?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;and he passes on a quote which Macfarlane uses from Alexis Wright’s essay, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/the-inward-migration-in-apocalyptic-times/"&gt;‘The Inward Migration in Apocalyptic Times’&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ed also talks about Jay Griffiths’s &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/453727/how-animals-heal-us-by-griffiths-jay/9780241614358"&gt;&lt;em&gt;How Animals Heal Us&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dougald was introduced to Jean Giono’s &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.counterpointpress.com/books/joy-of-mans-desiring/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Joy of Man’s Desiring&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/44659367-jack-barron"&gt;Jack Barron&lt;/a&gt; who said it was like Ivan Illich and John Berger got together and wrote a novel – a description to which it lives up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Make Populism &lt;em&gt;Green&lt;/em&gt; Again&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A few weeks back, Dougald sent Ed a message asking, “Did we break the Green Party?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We trace the line that runs back from the election of Zack Polanski as the party’s new leader to an episode we made in January 2024, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s5e5-make-populism-d56"&gt;‘Make Populism Good Again?’&lt;/a&gt; After the UK general election that July, Ed hosted a gathering of Green thinkers to discuss where the party went next where they took up this thread about green populism, leading to a series of think pieces in late 2024, and then a successful leadership challenge from a candidate making this argument.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’s early days, but Zack’s leadership seems to be off to a good start. Ed mentions his Question Time appearance and Dougald recalls &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s4e8-we-need-to-ee3"&gt;the George Monbiot episode&lt;/a&gt;, where we discussed the importance to the environmental movement of having a voice that was capable of handling the brutal conduct of public discourse in the UK media.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We discuss &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/2285370-mary-harrington"&gt;Mary Harrington&lt;/a&gt;’s &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.maryharrington.co.uk/p/the-viral-mandate-of-heaven"&gt;The Viral Mandate of Heaven&lt;/a&gt;, in which she identifies Zack and &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/1081077-zohran-mamdani"&gt;Zohran Mamdani&lt;/a&gt; as two leftwing examples of the kind of “box office” political legitimacy which works in a “digital-first” culture.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Reform can flip the state of politics on the right and become the main contender, doesn’t that make it easier to imagine the same thing happening on the other side? &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/voting-intention-8th-october-2025/"&gt;One poll last week&lt;/a&gt; had the Greens on 15%, only two points behind Labour. What if the next UK general election ends up as a battle between Reform and the Greens?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where are we at in the timeline?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;How do you find your bearings in an environment where you’re constantly stimulated to max out your outrage or emotional investment in &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.maryharrington.co.uk/p/astral-swarming-and-mimetic-violence"&gt;“the Current Thing”&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dougald talks about an attitude – exemplified by &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/3620493-gordon"&gt;Gordon&lt;/a&gt; White of Rune Soup – that emphasises a sober attention to “where we’re at in the timeline”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We talk about the rerouting of resources to rearmament in Europe, but also the point made by &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/7593784-aurelien"&gt;Aurelien&lt;/a&gt; that &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/a-europe-of-nations"&gt;“European decision-makers are now discovering that the world is not a gigantic Amazon store from which you can order anything you like.”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What time is LOVE?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/1316989-jay-springett"&gt;Jay Springett&lt;/a&gt; sent us &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://wasted.reluctant.promo/read"&gt;a text from xin&lt;/a&gt; called “hospicing dance music” and we talk about seeing ideas from &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://decolonialfutures.net/hospicingmodernity/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hospicing Modernity&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.nu/at-work-in-the-ruins/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;At Work in the Ruins&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;getting put to use in different contexts. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dougald mentions another example of this, the recent conversation between &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/176325382-iona-lawrence"&gt;Iona Lawrence&lt;/a&gt; of The Decelerator and &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/1970092-elizabeth-oldfield"&gt;Elizabeth Oldfield&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://morefullyalive.substack.com/p/finding-steadiness-in-a-time-of-endings"&gt;‘Finding Steadiness in a Time of Endings’&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ed talks about &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://loveangerbetrayal.co.uk/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Love, Anger and Betrayal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the book that Jonathan Porritt has written, based on a year of working with young activists who were part of Just Stop Oil.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The theme of love takes us to the new journal &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/359598372-romanticon"&gt;Romanticon&lt;/a&gt; – co-founded by &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/8515987-anthony-galluzzo"&gt;Anthony Galluzzo&lt;/a&gt;, whose book &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/zer0-books/our-books/against-vortex-zardoz-degrowth-utopias"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Against the Vortex&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;was the starting point for &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s6e5-against-the"&gt;our last episode&lt;/a&gt;. Dougald wrote the journal’s inaugural essay, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://romanticon.substack.com/p/fables-of-the-reconstruction"&gt;‘Fables of the Reconstruction’&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/359598372-romanticon"&gt;Romanticon&lt;/a&gt; contributor, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/852457-justin-smith-ruiu"&gt;Justin Smith-Ruiu&lt;/a&gt; of The Hinternet wrote an essay called &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.the-hinternet.com/p/how-to-change-the-world-for-real"&gt;‘How to Change the World for Real’&lt;/a&gt; that invokes the language of love as politics in Martin Luther King, Hannah Arendt and James Baldwin.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We talk about &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/21784807-david-bentley-hart"&gt;David Bentley Hart&lt;/a&gt;’s &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://davidbentleyhart.substack.com/p/the-genealogy-of-genealogies"&gt;‘The Genealogy of Genealogies’&lt;/a&gt;, which culminates in a wonderful passage about gifts as “the currency of love” – and this connects to &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/69980884-adam-wilson"&gt;Adam Wilson&lt;/a&gt;’s story of the young father visiting the Gratitude Feast at Sand River Community Farm for the first time who expresses his wonder, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://peasantryschool.substack.com/p/daily-humiliations"&gt;“It’s like you all are creating an irony-free zone.”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And Ed draws the episode to a close with Kae Tempest’s poem, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://poetryarchive.org/poem/point/"&gt;‘The Point’&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for reading Homeward Bound! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thanks, everyone, for listening and sharing and supporting our work in multiple ways. Check out more episodes of The Great Humbling and Homeward Bound at &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://homewardbound.org/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;homewardbound.org&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;. Learn more about Ed’s work on &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://edgillespie.earth/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;his website&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, and read more from Dougald at his Substack, &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.substack.com"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Writing Home&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;, where you can support the making of this podcast by &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.substack.com/subscribe"&gt;&lt;em&gt;becoming a paid subscriber&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a public episode. 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Homeward Bound (including The Great Humbling)

Dougald Hine

The Great Humbling S6E6: What Time Is LOVE?

OCT 14, 202567 MIN
Homeward Bound (including The Great Humbling)

The Great Humbling S6E6: What Time Is LOVE?

OCT 14, 202567 MIN

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<p><strong><em>After a long summer of counselling to recover from the sight of </em></strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s6e5-against-the"><strong><em>Sean Connery’s red mankini</em></strong></a><strong><em>, Ed and Dougald are reunited to talk about green populism, why the world isn’t a giant Amazon store, hospicing dance music and the political language of love. (Or was that the love language of politics?)</em></strong></p><p>Shownotes</p><p>What have we been up to?</p><p>Ed’s been thinking about <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bystander-leadership-against-genocide-ed-gillespie-4a53e/?trackingId=5rV74zKWRbyTtmDmixH3zA%3D%3D">“bystander leadership”</a>: how interventions by bystanders successfully change the course of events.</p><p>Back in May, he went <a target="_blank" href="https://www.singingwithnightingales.co.uk/">Singing With Nightingales</a> with the folk singer Sam Lee and friends.</p><p>A visit to Lambay Island – where he runs <a target="_blank" href="https://www.pelumbra.com/writing-retreats/lambay-island">an annual writing retreat</a> – prompted him to revisit <a target="_blank" href="https://medium.com/@edgillespie/all-at-sea-leadership-in-perilous-times-77155090ff5f">the story of the RMS Tayleur</a>, otherwise known as “the first Titanic”. One of the first iron-clad clipper ships, her compass had not been properly adjusted to take account of the effect of the iron hull.</p><p>Dougald is deep in writing and currently surrounded by a pile of books about “culture”, which Raymond Williams identifies as “one of the two or three most complicated words in the English language” (<a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keywords:_A_Vocabulary_of_Culture_and_Society"><em>Keywords: A Vocabulary of Culture and Society</em></a>).</p><p>Earlier in the summer, he travelled to Italy for <a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.substack.com/p/in-the-garden-of-low-studies">a gathering of the friends of Ivan Illich</a>.</p><p>What have we been reading?</p><p>Ed introduces Brian Eno and Bette A’s <a target="_blank" href="https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571395514-what-art-does-an-unfinished-theory/"><em>What Art Does: An Unfinished Theory</em></a>.</p><p>Dougald has also been revisiting Brian’s 1996 definition of culture as <a target="_blank" href="https://www.moredarkthanshark.org/eno_int_w-sep96.html">“everything we don’t have to do”</a> and connects this to <a target="_blank" href="https://ellendissanayake.com/">Ellen Dissanayake’s books</a>, <em>What Is Art For?</em> and <em>Homo Aestheticus</em> which develop a fascinating evolutionary account of the centrality and origins of art within human behaviour.</p><p>Ed has been reading Robert Macfarlane’s new book, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/455147/is-a-river-alive-by-macfarlane-robert/9780241624814"><em>Is a River Alive?</em></a><em> </em>and he passes on a quote which Macfarlane uses from Alexis Wright’s essay, <a target="_blank" href="https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/the-inward-migration-in-apocalyptic-times/">‘The Inward Migration in Apocalyptic Times’</a>.</p><p>Ed also talks about Jay Griffiths’s <a target="_blank" href="https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/453727/how-animals-heal-us-by-griffiths-jay/9780241614358"><em>How Animals Heal Us</em></a>.</p><p>Dougald was introduced to Jean Giono’s <a target="_blank" href="https://www.counterpointpress.com/books/joy-of-mans-desiring/"><em>Joy of Man’s Desiring</em></a> by <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/44659367-jack-barron">Jack Barron</a> who said it was like Ivan Illich and John Berger got together and wrote a novel – a description to which it lives up.</p><p>Make Populism <em>Green</em> Again</p><p>A few weeks back, Dougald sent Ed a message asking, “Did we break the Green Party?”</p><p>We trace the line that runs back from the election of Zack Polanski as the party’s new leader to an episode we made in January 2024, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s5e5-make-populism-d56">‘Make Populism Good Again?’</a> After the UK general election that July, Ed hosted a gathering of Green thinkers to discuss where the party went next where they took up this thread about green populism, leading to a series of think pieces in late 2024, and then a successful leadership challenge from a candidate making this argument.</p><p>It’s early days, but Zack’s leadership seems to be off to a good start. Ed mentions his Question Time appearance and Dougald recalls <a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s4e8-we-need-to-ee3">the George Monbiot episode</a>, where we discussed the importance to the environmental movement of having a voice that was capable of handling the brutal conduct of public discourse in the UK media.</p><p>We discuss <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/2285370-mary-harrington">Mary Harrington</a>’s <a target="_blank" href="https://www.maryharrington.co.uk/p/the-viral-mandate-of-heaven">The Viral Mandate of Heaven</a>, in which she identifies Zack and <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/1081077-zohran-mamdani">Zohran Mamdani</a> as two leftwing examples of the kind of “box office” political legitimacy which works in a “digital-first” culture.</p><p>If Reform can flip the state of politics on the right and become the main contender, doesn’t that make it easier to imagine the same thing happening on the other side? <a target="_blank" href="https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/voting-intention-8th-october-2025/">One poll last week</a> had the Greens on 15%, only two points behind Labour. What if the next UK general election ends up as a battle between Reform and the Greens?</p><p>Where are we at in the timeline?</p><p>How do you find your bearings in an environment where you’re constantly stimulated to max out your outrage or emotional investment in <a target="_blank" href="https://www.maryharrington.co.uk/p/astral-swarming-and-mimetic-violence">“the Current Thing”</a>?</p><p>Dougald talks about an attitude – exemplified by <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/3620493-gordon">Gordon</a> White of Rune Soup – that emphasises a sober attention to “where we’re at in the timeline”.</p><p>We talk about the rerouting of resources to rearmament in Europe, but also the point made by <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/7593784-aurelien">Aurelien</a> that <a target="_blank" href="https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/a-europe-of-nations">“European decision-makers are now discovering that the world is not a gigantic Amazon store from which you can order anything you like.”</a></p><p>What time is LOVE?</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/1316989-jay-springett">Jay Springett</a> sent us <a target="_blank" href="https://wasted.reluctant.promo/read">a text from xin</a> called “hospicing dance music” and we talk about seeing ideas from <a target="_blank" href="https://decolonialfutures.net/hospicingmodernity/"><em>Hospicing Modernity</em></a><em> </em>and <a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.nu/at-work-in-the-ruins/"><em>At Work in the Ruins</em></a><em> </em>getting put to use in different contexts. </p><p>Dougald mentions another example of this, the recent conversation between <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/176325382-iona-lawrence">Iona Lawrence</a> of The Decelerator and <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/1970092-elizabeth-oldfield">Elizabeth Oldfield</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://morefullyalive.substack.com/p/finding-steadiness-in-a-time-of-endings">‘Finding Steadiness in a Time of Endings’</a>.</p><p>Ed talks about <a target="_blank" href="https://loveangerbetrayal.co.uk/"><em>Love, Anger and Betrayal</em></a>, the book that Jonathan Porritt has written, based on a year of working with young activists who were part of Just Stop Oil.</p><p>The theme of love takes us to the new journal <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/359598372-romanticon">Romanticon</a> – co-founded by <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/8515987-anthony-galluzzo">Anthony Galluzzo</a>, whose book <a target="_blank" href="https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/zer0-books/our-books/against-vortex-zardoz-degrowth-utopias"><em>Against the Vortex</em></a><em> </em>was the starting point for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.homewardbound.org/p/the-great-humbling-s6e5-against-the">our last episode</a>. Dougald wrote the journal’s inaugural essay, <a target="_blank" href="https://romanticon.substack.com/p/fables-of-the-reconstruction">‘Fables of the Reconstruction’</a>.</p><p>Another <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/359598372-romanticon">Romanticon</a> contributor, <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/852457-justin-smith-ruiu">Justin Smith-Ruiu</a> of The Hinternet wrote an essay called <a target="_blank" href="https://www.the-hinternet.com/p/how-to-change-the-world-for-real">‘How to Change the World for Real’</a> that invokes the language of love as politics in Martin Luther King, Hannah Arendt and James Baldwin.</p><p>We talk about <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/21784807-david-bentley-hart">David Bentley Hart</a>’s <a target="_blank" href="https://davidbentleyhart.substack.com/p/the-genealogy-of-genealogies">‘The Genealogy of Genealogies’</a>, which culminates in a wonderful passage about gifts as “the currency of love” – and this connects to <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/69980884-adam-wilson">Adam Wilson</a>’s story of the young father visiting the Gratitude Feast at Sand River Community Farm for the first time who expresses his wonder, <a target="_blank" href="https://peasantryschool.substack.com/p/daily-humiliations">“It’s like you all are creating an irony-free zone.”</a></p><p>And Ed draws the episode to a close with Kae Tempest’s poem, <a target="_blank" href="https://poetryarchive.org/poem/point/">‘The Point’</a>.</p><p><p>Thanks for reading Homeward Bound! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></p><p><em>Thanks, everyone, for listening and sharing and supporting our work in multiple ways. Check out more episodes of The Great Humbling and Homeward Bound at </em><a target="_blank" href="https://homewardbound.org/"><em>homewardbound.org</em></a><em>. Learn more about Ed’s work on </em><a target="_blank" href="https://edgillespie.earth/"><em>his website</em></a><em>, and read more from Dougald at his Substack, </em><a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.substack.com"><em>Writing Home</em></a><em>, where you can support the making of this podcast by </em><a target="_blank" href="https://dougald.substack.com/subscribe"><em>becoming a paid subscriber</em></a><em>.</em></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.homewardbound.org?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">www.homewardbound.org</a>