<description>&lt;p&gt;Chatted with Joe Carlsmith about whether we can trust power/techno-capital, how to not end up like Stalin in our urge to control the future, gentleness towards the artificial Other, and much more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Check out Joe's sequence on Otherness and Control in the Age of AGI &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://joecarlsmith.com/2024/01/02/otherness-and-control-in-the-age-of-agi"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Watch on &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XsL_7TnfLU"&gt;YouTube&lt;/a&gt;. Listen on &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/joe-carlsmith-otherness-and-control-in-the-age-of-agi/id1516093381?i=1000666255737"&gt;Apple Podcasts&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0npJsKzUulSHDVAHumXNtO?si=vyKi0z_CRB6inwUBhIfeFA"&gt;Spotify&lt;/a&gt;, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/joe-carlsmith"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Follow &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp"&gt;me on Twitter&lt;/a&gt; for updates on future episodes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sponsors:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://bland.ai/dwarkesh"&gt;Bland.ai&lt;/a&gt; is an AI agent that automates phone calls in any language, 24/7. Their technology uses "conversational pathways" for accurate, versatile communication across sales, operations, and customer support. You can try Bland yourself by calling 415-549-9654. Enterprises can get exclusive access to their advanced model at &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://bland.ai/dwarkesh"&gt;bland.ai/dwarkesh&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://stripe.com/"&gt;Stripe&lt;/a&gt; is financial infrastructure for the internet. Millions of companies from Anthropic to Amazon use Stripe to accept payments, automate financial processes and grow their revenue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you’re interested in advertising on the podcast, check out &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/advertise"&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Timestamps:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(00:00:00) - Understanding the Basic Alignment Story&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(00:44:04) - Monkeys Inventing Humans&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(00:46:43) - Nietzsche, C.S. Lewis, and AI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:22:51) - How should we treat AIs&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(1:52:33) - Balancing Being a Humanist and a Scholar&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(2:05:02) - Explore exploit tradeoffs and AI&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at &lt;a href="https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4"&gt;www.dwarkeshpatel.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

Dwarkesh Podcast

Dwarkesh Patel

Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

AUG 22, 2024150 MIN
Dwarkesh Podcast

Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

AUG 22, 2024150 MIN

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<p>Chatted with Joe Carlsmith about whether we can trust power/techno-capital, how to not end up like Stalin in our urge to control the future, gentleness towards the artificial Other, and much more.</p><p>Check out Joe's sequence on Otherness and Control in the Age of AGI <a target="_blank" href="https://joecarlsmith.com/2024/01/02/otherness-and-control-in-the-age-of-agi">here</a>.</p><p>Watch on <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XsL_7TnfLU">YouTube</a>. Listen on <a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/joe-carlsmith-otherness-and-control-in-the-age-of-agi/id1516093381?i=1000666255737">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0npJsKzUulSHDVAHumXNtO?si=vyKi0z_CRB6inwUBhIfeFA">Spotify</a>, or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript <a target="_blank" href="https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/joe-carlsmith">here</a>. Follow <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp">me on Twitter</a> for updates on future episodes.</p><p><strong>Sponsors:</strong></p><p>- <a target="_blank" href="http://bland.ai/dwarkesh">Bland.ai</a> is an AI agent that automates phone calls in any language, 24/7. Their technology uses "conversational pathways" for accurate, versatile communication across sales, operations, and customer support. You can try Bland yourself by calling 415-549-9654. Enterprises can get exclusive access to their advanced model at <a target="_blank" href="http://bland.ai/dwarkesh">bland.ai/dwarkesh</a>.</p><p>- <a target="_blank" href="https://stripe.com/">Stripe</a> is financial infrastructure for the internet. Millions of companies from Anthropic to Amazon use Stripe to accept payments, automate financial processes and grow their revenue.</p><p>If you’re interested in advertising on the podcast, check out <a target="_blank" href="https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/advertise">this page</a>.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>(00:00:00) - Understanding the Basic Alignment Story</p><p>(00:44:04) - Monkeys Inventing Humans</p><p>(00:46:43) - Nietzsche, C.S. Lewis, and AI</p><p>(1:22:51) - How should we treat AIs</p><p>(1:52:33) - Balancing Being a Humanist and a Scholar</p><p>(2:05:02) - Explore exploit tradeoffs and AI</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at <a href="https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">www.dwarkeshpatel.com/subscribe</a>