Need help? Check out these resources: www.firstresponderwellness.co/resources or Dial 988 for immediate help.  Join our Mastermind Series: https://firstresponderwellness.co/mastermind/ +++++   132 - Lead Anyway, Even When Leadership is Broken - Lt. Col. Dave Grossman Everyone talks about bad leadership. But very few people take responsibility for becoming better leaders themselves. In Part 2 of this conversation, Conrad continues with Dave Grossman to explore what leadership really looks like inside first responder culture—and why so many organizations struggle with it. Grossman makes it clear: leadership is not about rank. It’s about self-control, service, and consistency. They unpack the reality of toxic leadership, why it’s not a new problem, and how pressure, poor selection, and lack of development contribute to it. But more importantly, they focus on what individuals can do—right now—to lead, regardless of their position. This episode is a direct challenge to anyone waiting for someone else to fix the culture. Because leadership doesn’t start when you get promoted. It starts the moment you decide to show up differently. If you’ve ever felt stuck under poor leadership, this conversation will give you a new lens—and a new level of responsibility. Key Topics Covered Why toxic leadership is so common Leadership vs positional authority Leading up, down, and across The role of self-control in leadership effectiveness Servant leadership in high-stress environments How to influence culture without rank Encouragement, recognition, and building trust Key Takeaways Leadership is a daily practice, not a position You don’t need rank to influence culture The best leaders serve, not command Recognition and encouragement are powerful leadership tools You can lead—even in a broken system Notable Quotes “Nobody respects your temper tantrum. They respect your calm.” “To be a better leader, you have to be a better person.” “Your job as a leader is to help them do their job better.” “Be the leader you wish you had.” Resources Mentioned Grossman’s leadership and training materials Leadership development principles rooted in behavioral science Mastermind CTA If this episode challenged you to step up in your leadership, this is exactly what we’re building inside the First Responder Leadership Mastermind, launching June 3. This is where we take these concepts and actually apply them—together, in a group of leaders committed to raising the standard. 👉 Learn more: firstresponderwellness.co/mastermind Final Call to Action If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone on your team. Because culture doesn’t change from the top down. It changes when leaders—at every level—decide to lead differently.   +++++ FIRST RESPONDER WELLNESS PODCAST Order the PTSD911 Film and Educational Toolkit here: https://ptsd911movie.com/toolkit/ Web site:  https://ptsd911movie.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ptsd911movie/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ptsd911movie/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClQ8jxjxYqHgFQixBK4Bl0Q Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/first-responder-wellness-podcast/id1535675703 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wW72dLZOKkO1QYUPzL2ih Purchase the PTSD911 film for your public safety agency or organization: https://ptsd911movie.com/toolkit/ The First Responder Wellness Podcast is a production of First Responder Wellness Solutions, LLC Copyright ©2026 First Responder Wellness Solutions, LLC - All rights Reserved.