<p>On the Evolving Wellness Podcast, host Sarah Kleiner interviews returning guest Chris, a lab reader and health coach, about why standard lab reference ranges can be misleading because they’re based on an average, chronically ill population, leading doctors to label many people “normal” until overt disease appears (e.g., insulin ranges where healthy averages are ~2–6). They criticize algorithmic, diagnosis-driven medicine and argue AI lab interpretation repeats these limitations, lacking nuance and the human “art” of healing. Chris shares his background of childhood illness, leaving a pre-med path after shadowing physicians constrained by the system, and building a holistic practice emphasizing blood chemistry context, lifestyle/circadian factors, behavior change, and nervous system/trauma-pattern work. They discuss setting realistic expectations, avoiding excessive testing and supplement spending, and Chris describes forming a multi-practitioner team and where to find him online. </p><p><br></p><p>— </p><p>Book with Chris - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/DUNLjVAk/checkout </p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/themitopapi/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">https://www.instagram.com/themitopapi/</a></p><p><a href="https://shieldofhealth.com " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">https://shieldofhealth.com </a></p><p>SubStack: <a href="https://substack.com/@mitopapi" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">https://substack.com/@mitopapi</a></p><p>X: https://x.com/Mitopapi</p><p>_________</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><p><br></p><p>→ VivaRays | This episode is sponsored by VivaRays - VivaRays Blue - code YOGI <a href="https://vivarays.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://vivarays.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p>→ Troscriptions | For an exclusive offer, go to <a href="https://troscriptions.com/discount/SARAHK?redirect=/collections/troches-for-energy/products/justblue&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sarah_kleiner_wellness_2025_11_02&utm_content=periodic_release" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.troscriptions.com/SARAHK</a> for 10% off your first non subscription order.</p><p><br></p><p>→ Toups &amp; Co Organics | Ready to give Toups a try? Get 25% off your first order by going to <a href="https://toupsandco.com/EVOLVING" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://toupsandco.com/EVOLVING</a>, and use code EVOLVING for 25% off your first order.</p><p>_________</p><p>Timestamp:</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Coming up</p><p>00:54 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers</p><p>03:06 Meet Chris</p><p>04:15 AI Lab Reads and Reference Ranges</p><p>07:22 Algorithmic Medicine vs Healing Art</p><p>10:27 Sponsor Breaks and Integrative Care</p><p>13:55 Chris’s Origin Story and Whole-Person Framework</p><p>31:02 Client Ownership Mindset</p><p>32:24 Makeup Sponsor Break</p><p>33:49 Trust Recession Reality</p><p>36:23 Integration Over Protocols</p><p>40:07 Building The Avengers Team</p><p>44:54 Tests Versus Basics</p><p>49:25 Lab Reading Deep Dive</p><p><br></p><p>——— </p><p>This video is not medical advice &amp; as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!</p><p>________________________________________</p><p>Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!</p><p>https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/all-free-resources</p><p><br></p><p>Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health &amp; experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) -  https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses</p><p><br></p><p>My free product guide with all product recommendations and discount codes:</p><p>https://www.canva.com/design/DAF7mlgZpJI/xVyE4tiQFEWJmh_Xwx8Kbw/view?utm_content=DAF7mlgZpJI</p><p><br></p><p>Free Webinar on Light &amp; Health (includes free light bulb guide) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/mycircadianapp-free-webinar</p><p><br></p><p>Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes &amp; my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  <a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=true</a></p>