<description>&lt;p&gt;Our friend and colleague Stony Brook sociologist Musa al-Gharbi has a new book out. And it’s a tour-de-force. &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691232607/we-have-never-been-woke?srsltid=AfmBOopyYgprEtH1F2V6qdCE1Mblg9QQlUpbpjVHR5WC0SAfQkpPopze"&gt;&lt;em&gt;We Have Never Been Woke&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;is essential reading for anyone who wants to understand the economic, political and cultural divides between the haves and the have-nots in the United States. We were delighted to host Musa for a book talk on the Carleton campus last month. He spoke with Amna in front a packed house. This is episode 2. Episode 1 is available &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://banished.substack.com/p/you-cant-be-an-egalitarian-social"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Show Notes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* On the limitations of diversity training, see this piece from Musa, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://musaalgharbi.com/2020/09/16/diversity-important-related-training-terrible/"&gt;“Diversity is Important. Diversity-Related Training is Terrible.” &lt;/a&gt;Also see this piece we wrote in &lt;em&gt;Inside Higher Ed&lt;/em&gt;, “&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2021/04/29/colleges-should-focus-education-more-training-about-dei-issues-opinion"&gt;Don’t Mistake Training for Education.&lt;/a&gt;” And this short, animated explainer video we made, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/MDVnOdKGJhk?si=FIyCGHgcnH7H33Sy"&gt;“Training is Performative. Education is Transformative”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Georgetown philosopher Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò wrote &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://Ol&amp;#250;f&amp;#7865;&amp;#769;mi O. T&amp;#225;&amp;#237;w&amp;#242;"&gt;the book &lt;/a&gt;on elite capture&lt;em&gt;; &lt;/em&gt;here’s a &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/olufemi-o-taiwo-identity-politics-and-elite-capture/"&gt;précis&lt;/a&gt; in the &lt;em&gt;Boston Review. &lt;/em&gt;And this piece by Táíwò, published in &lt;em&gt;The Philosopher&lt;/em&gt;, is also worth reading: &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.thephilosopher1923.org/post/being-in-the-room-privilege-elite-capture-and-epistemic-deference"&gt;“Being-In-The-Room Privilege: Elite Capture and Epistemic Deference”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674034945"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Creating a Class: College Admissions and the Education of Elites&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674034945"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;by Mitchell Stevens is arguably the best book ever written on how the many advantages of the rich and well-off accumulate in the race to get into the most prestigious schools&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* On the incentives for students of color to highlight their trauma in college admissions essays, this &lt;em&gt;NYT &lt;/em&gt;piece is excellent, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/opinion/college-admissions-essays-trauma.html?unlocked_article_code=1.vU4.v9wf.ZuoNcweWMxld&amp;#38;smid=url-share"&gt;“When I Applied to College, I Didn’t Want to ‘Sell My Pain.’”&lt;/a&gt; On “racial gamification” in college admissions, see Tyler Austin Harper, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/opinion/college-admissions-affirmative-action.html?unlocked_article_code=1.vU4.b0rs.Uc8rl4r4b9vl&amp;#38;smid=url-share"&gt;“I Teach at an Elite College. Here’s a Look Inside the Racial Gaming of Admissions”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* College essays are more strongly correlated with social class than SAT scores. See &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi9031"&gt;this journal article&lt;/a&gt; by A.J. Alvero et al.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* On the question of whether college admissions tests drive or reflect social inequalities, see this Banished episode (&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://banished.substack.com/p/should-more-colleges-drop-the-act"&gt;“Should More Colleges Drop the SAT and ACT?”&lt;/a&gt;) and this article in &lt;em&gt;Inside Higher Ed &lt;/em&gt;(&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/views/2020/07/06/inequities-american-society-go-well-beyond-testing-opinion"&gt;“Tests are not the source of inequities in American society”&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* On the test-optional debate, see this &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/briefing/the-misguided-war-on-the-sat.html"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; from the &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt;, this &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://home.dartmouth.edu/sites/home/files/2024-02/sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf"&gt;study&lt;/a&gt; from Dartmouth College and these &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/"&gt;comments&lt;/a&gt; from the MIT Dean of Admissions&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Bertrand Cooper, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2021/07/who-actually-gets-to-create-black-pop-culture"&gt;“Who Actually Gets to Create Black Pop Culture?”&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;em&gt;Current Affairs&lt;/em&gt;, May/June 2021)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Matt Taibbi discussed the controversy surrounding former &lt;em&gt;Intercept &lt;/em&gt;journalist Lee Fang &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.racket.news/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-itself"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href="https://banished.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2"&gt;banished.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

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Amna Khalid & Jeff Snyder

Who Speaks the Language of Social Justice?

FEB 8, 202517 MIN
Banished

Who Speaks the Language of Social Justice?

FEB 8, 202517 MIN

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<p>Our friend and colleague Stony Brook sociologist Musa al-Gharbi has a new book out. And it’s a tour-de-force. <a target="_blank" href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691232607/we-have-never-been-woke?srsltid=AfmBOopyYgprEtH1F2V6qdCE1Mblg9QQlUpbpjVHR5WC0SAfQkpPopze"><em>We Have Never Been Woke</em></a><em> </em>is essential reading for anyone who wants to understand the economic, political and cultural divides between the haves and the have-nots in the United States. We were delighted to host Musa for a book talk on the Carleton campus last month. He spoke with Amna in front a packed house. This is episode 2. Episode 1 is available <a target="_blank" href="https://banished.substack.com/p/you-cant-be-an-egalitarian-social">here</a>. </p><p><strong>Show Notes</strong></p><p>* On the limitations of diversity training, see this piece from Musa, <a target="_blank" href="https://musaalgharbi.com/2020/09/16/diversity-important-related-training-terrible/">“Diversity is Important. Diversity-Related Training is Terrible.” </a>Also see this piece we wrote in <em>Inside Higher Ed</em>, “<a target="_blank" href="https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2021/04/29/colleges-should-focus-education-more-training-about-dei-issues-opinion">Don’t Mistake Training for Education.</a>” And this short, animated explainer video we made, <a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/MDVnOdKGJhk?si=FIyCGHgcnH7H33Sy">“Training is Performative. Education is Transformative”</a></p><p>* Georgetown philosopher Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò wrote <a target="_blank" href="http://Ol&#250;f&#7865;&#769;mi O. T&#225;&#237;w&#242;">the book </a>on elite capture<em>; </em>here’s a <a target="_blank" href="https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/olufemi-o-taiwo-identity-politics-and-elite-capture/">précis</a> in the <em>Boston Review. </em>And this piece by Táíwò, published in <em>The Philosopher</em>, is also worth reading: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thephilosopher1923.org/post/being-in-the-room-privilege-elite-capture-and-epistemic-deference">“Being-In-The-Room Privilege: Elite Capture and Epistemic Deference”</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674034945"><em>Creating a Class: College Admissions and the Education of Elites</em></a><a target="_blank" href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674034945"> </a>by Mitchell Stevens is arguably the best book ever written on how the many advantages of the rich and well-off accumulate in the race to get into the most prestigious schools</p><p>* On the incentives for students of color to highlight their trauma in college admissions essays, this <em>NYT </em>piece is excellent, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/opinion/college-admissions-essays-trauma.html?unlocked_article_code=1.vU4.v9wf.ZuoNcweWMxld&#38;smid=url-share">“When I Applied to College, I Didn’t Want to ‘Sell My Pain.’”</a> On “racial gamification” in college admissions, see Tyler Austin Harper, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/opinion/college-admissions-affirmative-action.html?unlocked_article_code=1.vU4.b0rs.Uc8rl4r4b9vl&#38;smid=url-share">“I Teach at an Elite College. Here’s a Look Inside the Racial Gaming of Admissions”</a></p><p>* College essays are more strongly correlated with social class than SAT scores. See <a target="_blank" href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi9031">this journal article</a> by A.J. Alvero et al.</p><p>* On the question of whether college admissions tests drive or reflect social inequalities, see this Banished episode (<a target="_blank" href="https://banished.substack.com/p/should-more-colleges-drop-the-act">“Should More Colleges Drop the SAT and ACT?”</a>) and this article in <em>Inside Higher Ed </em>(<a target="_blank" href="https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/views/2020/07/06/inequities-american-society-go-well-beyond-testing-opinion">“Tests are not the source of inequities in American society”</a>)</p><p>* On the test-optional debate, see this <a target="_blank" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/briefing/the-misguided-war-on-the-sat.html">article</a> from the <em>New York Times</em>, this <a target="_blank" href="https://home.dartmouth.edu/sites/home/files/2024-02/sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf">study</a> from Dartmouth College and these <a target="_blank" href="https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/">comments</a> from the MIT Dean of Admissions</p><p>* Bertrand Cooper, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2021/07/who-actually-gets-to-create-black-pop-culture">“Who Actually Gets to Create Black Pop Culture?”</a> (<em>Current Affairs</em>, May/June 2021)</p><p>* Matt Taibbi discussed the controversy surrounding former <em>Intercept </em>journalist Lee Fang <a target="_blank" href="https://www.racket.news/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-itself">here</a></p><p></p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://banished.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">banished.substack.com/subscribe</a>