What does a 500-mile trek through Spain, a rain-soaked trail in Scotland, and a solo summit in Colorado have to do with building a meaningful life or business?
In this episode, we share the unexpected lessons learned from long-distance hikes, Ironman races, and conversations on the trail — and how they mirror the journey of entrepreneurship, leadership, and self-discovery.
From the spiritual silence of the Camino de Santiago to the muddy mess of the West Highland Way, this isn’t just a story about hiking — it’s about purpose, progress, and the people who walk beside us (or don’t).
If you’ve ever felt like the finish line didn’t fulfill you… this one’s for you.
KEY TOPICS
“Hike your own hike”: What this means for life, business, and ignoring the noise
Why the journey is the reward — not the goal or the finish line
What hiking in the rain teaches us about embracing discomfort
The real reason entrepreneurs hesitate to sell their businesses
How solitude reveals what you’re actually chasing
The power of walking with the right people, not just anyone
The Camino de Santiago’s secret economy, sacred history, and soul-deep meaning
How to follow the right signs — and know when someone else’s path isn’t yours
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
00:51 Hiking in Scotland: The West Highland Way
02:18 Hiking Etiquette and Annoyances
03:28 Conquering Colorado's Fourteeners
07:51 The Spiritual Journey of the Camino de Santiago
14:44 The History and Experience of the West Highland Way
16:54 Group Hiking Dynamics
20:35 The Pressure to Grow in Business
21:07 Redefining Success: Progress Over Growth
21:50 A Lesson from the Parish Priest
22:56 Zappos' Unique Hiring Practice
23:59 The Importance of Human Connection
27:17 The Journey is the Reward
33:53 Lessons from Hiking
38:31 Embracing Hardship
41:21 Final Thoughts on Hiking and Life
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Are your business decisions driven by instinct, or by strategy? How often do you actually stop to tell the difference?
Matthew Confer, the mind behind decision-making simulations used by leading companies, reveals why your gut might betray you, what most leaders get wrong under pressure, and how to sharpen your instincts for critical decisions.
KEY TOPICS
CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro: Defeating Bad Decision-Making in Life and Business
00:49 Changing Wedding Language: Patriarchy or Progress?
03:06 Can Simulations Make You a Better Leader?
05:32 The Dangerous Default in Team Decisions
06:50 Why Consensus Isn’t Always King
08:01 How Leaders Sabotage Innovation Without Realizing It
10:21 What Really Drives Your Team?
12:40 Adapting Management Styles: The Secret to Better Teams
15:05 Leadership Practice Without the Real-World Risk
17:26 Breaking Through Superficial Motivations
19:30 The Challenge of Scaling a Small Company Culture
21:54 Why Diverse Motivations Strengthen Teams
24:14 Spotting Failure Before It Happens
26:36 The Viral Social Media Campaign Dilemma
29:00 The Cobra Problem: When Solutions Make Things Worse
31:16 The $5 Challenge That Changed Business Strategy
33:33 The Power of Writing Down Decisions
35:53 How Poor Note-Taking Derails Teams
38:32 How Stress Wrecks Decision-Making—And How to Stop It
40:51 Why Your Most Disagreeable Employee Makes the Hard Calls
43:07 Why Failure Is the Best Leadership Teacher
45:32 Building Leadership Confidence in Safe Environments
47:51 When Bravado Backfires in Decision-Making
50:08 Are You Missing Critical Team Feedback?
52:32 What MBA Simulations Reveal About Leadership Gaps
54:51 The Secret Ingredient to Engaging Training Programs
56:53 Matthew Confer’s Decision-Making Tip for Business Owners
58:20 Key Takeaways
59:45 Message from the Producer
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SANGER’S BOOK: A Life Rich with Significance: Transforming Your Wealth to Meaningful Impact
SHAWN’S BOOK: Plateau Jumping: What to Change When Change Is What You Want
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CONNECT WITH MATT CONFER
Website: https://www.abilitie.com/matthew-confer/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewconfer/
Learn To Lead Podcast: https://www.abilitie.com/learn-to-lead-podcast/
Matt Confer is the VP of Strategy at Abilitie, a Leadership Development company based in Austin, Texas that provides immersive business simulations to a global client base that includes over 50 members of the Fortune 500. Abilitie’s leadership programs have been delivered to over 100,000 professionals in more than 30 countries around the world. Matthew has spoken on the topic of decision making at the TEDx Conference with a talk entitled "Before You Decide" that has been viewed over 500,000 times on the TED website.
What if the real reason your team can’t get along... is you?
In this mind-shifting episode, international best-selling author and human behavior expert Thomas Erikson (yes, the guy behind Surrounded by Idiots) joins Decidedly to decode how understanding personality types can transform your business, relationships, and leadership style.
Using the DISC model—Red, Yellow, Green, and Blue—Thomas explains why some people drive you crazy, how to stop sabotaging your own leadership, and what it really takes to build a thriving, cohesive team.
Whether you're scaling a company, leading a team, or navigating family dynamics, this conversation will help you understand yourself and others with clarity, compassion, and maybe a little humor.
KEY TOPICS
What the DISC personality model really means—and how to identify your type
Why you might be the one creating conflict on your team (yep, even with good intentions)
How impatience, perfectionism, or avoidance can sabotage decision-making
The difference between personality traits and internal motivators—and why both matter in hiring
How to build a diverse team without sacrificing unity or performance
Why “winning” isn’t always the goal—and what actually keeps people motivated
What happens when family and business collide (and how Thomas makes it work)
How self-awareness becomes your secret weapon in leadership and life
CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:53 Understanding Different Motivations
03:55 Guest Introduction: Thomas Erickson
04:36 The DISC Assessment Explained
11:38 Self-Awareness and Leadership
17:56 Building Effective Teams
21:14 Recruitment and Internal Drivers
26:43 Personal Stories and Reflections
31:04 Balancing Competing Ideas
34:50 The Importance of Motivation in Business
36:35 Constructive Competition
43:21 Defining Success and Legacy
49:10 Aligning Family Business Goals
59:51 Decision Making Tips for Business Owners
01:02:23 Final Thoughts and Takeaways
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SHAWN’S BOOK: Plateau Jumping: What to Change When Change Is What You Want
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Thomas Erikson is a behaviorist and the bestselling author of the Surrounded By series about human behaviors. The series has been translated into close to 60 languages and has sold over 8 million copies.
His mission is to make people’s lives easier by making them more aware of themselves and helping them better understand what it takes to achieve the best possible communication.
He is a highly sought-after public speaker, giving 120 keynote speeches annually on topics such as human behaviors, self-awareness, narcissism, and leadership.
Thomas is a mentor to top-level executives and entrepreneurs all over Europe. He lives by the simple quote: You can’t change somebody else, but you can change yourself.
What if the most important medical information was hiding in plain sight?
In this eye-opening replay of Ep. 166, we sit down with Alexandra, the powerhouse behind @justtheinserts, to uncover what pharmaceutical companies and government agencies actually disclose—if you know where to look. From vaccine inserts and adverse reaction data to the legal loopholes that protect drug manufacturers, this conversation digs deep into the fine print most patients never read.
Whether you’re a parent making decisions for your kids, a business owner evaluating health policies, or just tired of being in the dark, this episode will give you tools to ask better questions and make more informed choices.
KEY TOPICS
What a “manufacturer insert” actually is—and why you should always read it
Why Alexandra started @justtheinserts (and how one personal experience changed everything)
What the FDA and CDC do and don’t tell you about side effects
The risks listed for common drugs like DTaP, Vitamin K, and RSV vaccines
Why informed consent matters more now than ever
How to advocate for yourself and your family in a rushed healthcare system
The surprising connection between pharmaceutical marketing and legal immunity
How to build the skill of decisional independence in health and business
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
06:23 Alexandra's Journey and Instagram Success
11:14 Understanding Medical Inserts
15:43 Personal Experiences with Pharmaceuticals
22:21 Challenges and Criticisms in Medical Research
31:10 Discussing the Book and Training Course
32:10 Informed Consent and Doctor-Patient Dynamics
34:32 Vaccine Shedding and Its Implications
37:44 Breakthrough Infections and Vaccine Efficacy
38:49 Shocking Discoveries in Vaccine Inserts
40:18 Personal Stories and Pharmaceutical Industry Insights
47:22 Navigating Doctor's Recommendations and Informed Consent
54:01 Challenges in the Medical System
01:01:24 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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SHAWN’S BOOK: Plateau Jumping: What to Change When Change Is What You Want
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Website: https://www.justtheinserts.com
Instagram: @justtheinserts
Well Considered: A Handbook for Making Informed Medical Decisions: https://www.justtheinserts.com/shop/
Alexandra, the founder of Just the Inserts, provides training and resources for patients and parents to make informed decisions about medical products. Sourced from .gov websites, her book, training course, and website help you make informed medical decisions rooted in knowledge and confidence.
Ever feel like you're spinning your wheels, stuck in the same place despite your efforts? In this episode, hosts Shawn and Sanger delve into the practical strategies to help you break free from life's ruts and reignite your momentum.
Drawing from their extensive experience in decision-making and personal development, they introduce the "5 Levers of Change": Systems, Goals, Habits, Relationships, and Beliefs. Through insightful discussions and real-life examples, you'll discover how to identify which lever to pull to catalyze meaningful change.
Whether you're facing stagnation in your career, personal life, or mindset, this episode offers actionable steps to help you move forward with clarity and purpose.
If you've ever asked yourself, "How do I get unstuck and make lasting changes?" — this is the episode to press play on.
KEY TOPICS
Understanding the 5 Levers of Change: Systems, Goals, Habits, Relationships, and Beliefs
Recognizing when and how to adjust your goals effectively
Implementing the Double Vision Exercise to explore necessary changes
Overcoming resistance and embracing belief transformation
Leveraging relationships to support your growth journey
Practical tactics for goal setting and achieving transformation
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
00:53 A Hurried Morning
02:15 Introduction to Plateau Jumping
02:58 The Five Levers of Change
05:08 The Importance of Relationships
06:23 The Missing Lever: Beliefs
08:10 Applying the Five Levers
16:50 Challenging Traditional Goals
25:52 Double Vision Exercise Explained
27:04 Visualizing the Ideal Employee
30:14 Identifying the Easiest Goal
31:25 The Myth of the Harvard Study
35:51 The Power of Belief and Visualization
39:30 Challenging Established Beliefs
47:17 The Importance of Visualization in Goal Setting
48:46 Where to Find the Book
49:04 Closing Remarks and Credits
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SANGER’S BOOK: A Life Rich with Significance: Transforming Your Wealth to Meaningful Impact
SHAWN’S BOOK: Plateau Jumping: What to Change When Change Is What You Want
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